apba dues??

[Matt Dagostino]

Aof.....nbra.........apba.......xyz?

Kinda funny that until about 15 years ago APBA Members that participated in 'rival' boat organizations were subject to a penalty by APBA!! Those penalties could be as stiff as expulsion from APBA for running 'wildcat' races as they were loosely refered toooo!!

It wasn't till Hearn's made a conserted effort to open up to other racing organizations finally realizing we are all boat racers and need to 'get along'.............i forget what meeting it was but i remember Steve Hearn and the AOF President at the time making a public display of unity which helped allow 'crossing over' from one organization to another easier. I believe when we ran at Pineville in 2005 (Winter Nationals Stock/MOD) APBA allowed NBRA/AOF Members to compete with us at a nominal fee!!...... I thought this was a great gesture to help open our arms to other boating organizations, whom after all are boat racers at the end of the day tooo!!

The Captain

[blueskyracer]

Kinda funny that until about 15 years ago APBA Members that participated in 'rival' boat organizations were subject to a penalty by APBA!! Those penalties could be as stiff as expulsion from APBA for running 'wildcat' races as they were loosely refered toooo!!

It wasn't till Hearn's made a conserted effort to open up to other racing organizations finally realizing we are all boat racers and need to 'get along'.............i forget what meeting it was but i remember Steve Hearn and the AOF President at the time making a public display of unity which helped allow 'crossing over' from one organization to another easier. I believe when we ran at Pineville in 2005 (Winter Nationals Stock/MOD) APBA allowed NBRA/AOF Members to compete with us at a nominal fee!!...... I thought this was a great gesture to help open our arms to other boating organizations, whom after all are boat racers at the end of the day tooo!!

The Captain

Very nice..As I said earlier isn't boat racin boat racin..Nothing will improve with fancy websites and up grades if we ALL can't get along..

[blueskyracer]

Way to go Cheyney for starting such a informative thread! Not!

I really don't think this is about the money but more about what it is being used for..Can you imagine how far this money would have gone to help racers by providing clubs with Tow money and help with the insurance fees over say a 5 year period.

[bill van steenwyk]

you hit the nail on the head

Mike:

I think you are absolutely right. The amount of money involved, the "no-notification" way it was pushed thru by the APBA BOD with no advance notice and no or very little input from the membership, and the appearance (whether justified or not) of "insider trading" by Richard Hearn's company and his inside APBA connections, with absolutely no information from him until AFTER THE FACT, has left a very bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth. Just at the time when Boat Racing is facing all the facts and problems of a sour economy, hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent in this manner, with very few benefits obvious to the average member.

Perception is everything, and this boat sailed with very few on board to enjoy the trip.

[kampenracing]

Nbra

Cost of insurance for a NBRA race is about $1,200 per weekend and it is subsidized by NBRA. This past year with the extra $$$ we had from the RFA, insurance was free to the clubs. We get our insurance through K&K and it is quality insurance. Not only did the clubs get free insurance but they also recieved $1,500 for each race from NBRA to assist in tow money for all of the races. And to those of you on this thread who there is competition in NBRA or that we are a cut rate APBA, I would love to see you come to some of our races and take our prize money and points since you guys are way better drivers and have way better equipment then we do. I am sure you would dominate!!!!!!hahaha!!!!

[blueskyracer]

No matter where I go I get beat and I dont really care cause it is fun and the folks are great. I realize there are some that have to win and then the points chasers are there to..I dont think they have as much fun..To serious for me..

[kampenracing]

NBRA Insurance

Here is a copy of the NBRA insurance brochure from 2010.

[Dave M]

Chenney

This thread has went from a simple question to why to the entire answer of how. And now it is going to insurance costs verse coverages in each organization. And also some smack talk on who is faster in what org.

You sure know how to get a party started. How about we forget about all this bull**** on insurance and who is faster than who, and which org is better than the other and square off. Just bring some equipment and lets race.

Oh, and leave Pro out of the equation. It is not the USTS either. They do a fine job under their own sancations.

So that said, bring it.

Mike, I am gonna blow your drawers off in EH. So get that laydown working right !!!

[blueskyracer]

This thread has went from a simple question to why to the entire answer of how. And now it is going to insurance costs verse coverages in each organization. And also some smack talk on who is faster in what org.

You sure know how to get a party started. How about we forget about all this bull**** on insurance and who is faster than who, and which org is better than the other and square off. Just bring some equipment and lets race.

Oh, and leave Pro out of the equation. It is not the USTS either. They do a fine job under their own sancations.

So that said, bring it.

Mike, I am gonna blow your drawers off in EH. So get that laydown working right !!!

Dave I already know I will be bringing up the rear but I am use to it. Of coarse I may not be running if I can't save enough money for a new gear foot.

[jeff55v]

I think nearly all racers would agree that an extra $25 per year to improve their racing organization in very reasonable. The disagreement arises with what exactly we do with that money to improve things.

Also, I attended my first NBRA race two years ago with a single event membership. I was very impressed with the welcoming I received at the race event. The race was nicely managed and I had a great time. (just like any APBA event) That was two years ago, and I still receive occasional newsletters from them in the mail. I'm looking forward to the next opportunity I can manage to race with them. They're a great group of people! (Just like the APBA)

[ryan_4z]

Dave, I don't recall the incident-but I'm sure I meant no harm. All in good fun you know. My previous post was in no way meant as an indictment of you in any way.

P.S. Banana.

[dil/viller]

issue's??

mostly nothing to do with the original post, however since i read all the threads i gotta say, any!!! additional out of pocket cost,without that xtra coming back to the racer should be considered questionable by all affected ,without personal attacks on individuals or other orgs. if i'm still around in 3 years to see this additional fee removed [agreein with lars], i would consider it as a miracle happening. really just wanted send congrats to dave m on your last season and say h e l l o, to the macs and kampens[haven't seen them in a while] and as always your daddy still scares me. laaata ,dil/viller,or the [mutant earthling] or whoever i may be at this moment!!.

[Guest]

APBA and NBRA

I first started racing in 1955 and joined APBA in 1956. Back then the cost to race was very reasonable and the dues were very low. Over time they have gotten to the point where it is unrealistic to charge what were paying today. In 2010 the Snell brothers convinced me to go to an NBRA race in Pineville LA and I have become a convert. I still belong to APBA but NBRA is where we do most of our racing. The racing is great, the folks that run the organization control cost of operation and we have a great sponcer to help all the racers with the cost of running in todays environment. Getting NBRA races on both sides of the country will be great for the racers and great for the club. I am looking forward to racing in Montana next season and will try to support all the events.
Alan

[Shep]

One more time

Let me be clear I have never been to an AOF or NBRA race and I have nothing bad to say about either organization. From what I see these organiziations seem to only run kneel down (stock/mod/pro) They obviously fill a need or they wouldn't exist.

My comments pertain to APBA only.

APBA is Changing its business plan and its infrastructure. Take time to read the plan. http://social.apba.org/discussion/20...ebusiness-plan

We (APBA) have more than stock/mod/pro to deal with. If we don't reinvest in ourselves we won't exist plain and simple. When we succeed all three groups will benefit.

It makes me sick when I hear complaints about the $25 per year investment in our sport.

I took my family to a matinee the other day it cost me $60.
Went out with my wife last night $100. (I got away cheap)
A set of Spark plugs for my V6 $60

STOP complaining and race or sit on shore!

By the way the extra $25 is $100 for me I have a family of 4

Kris Shepard
APBA # 1998
3 time National Champion
1 national High Point Champion
2 time Champ 2 series Champion
1998 SST 45 UIM World Champion
Region 7 secretary
GLBC Vice Commodore
OPC commissioner
Member of MRC, GLBC, BSOA, APR, F1 PROP

[Team 12R]

i was expecting a bigger increase

rodger nailed it when he asked "what hasn't increased" (other than my income)? i was expecting that our increase in dues to be higher. i'm glad they didn't. we all have a choice to participate or not. i hope we see a bigger bang for our money this year. i like to **itch and am critical about the apba but this time i'm okay with the 25 dollar increase in dues. lets stick together and make this worth it....

oh yeah.... montana mike is deserving of a raise too.... my donation for 2012 will be higher. thanks mike.