Combining STOCK, MOD & PRO

[Haüenstein]

Historical context

Just for fun, I thought I'd attach a copy of an old FAX my dad sent in 1995 on the topic of category combination. Some parts are a little dated, as one might expect, but I still think it's germane as background for this conversation. Looking at the classes lined up in columns is fun, too.

TGIF.

MAH.

[dholt]

It's really quite simple

ASH/ASR- OMC, Merc 15, SW 'A' (all the same current motors)
AMH/AMR- All current motors plus SW 15. Yeah, throw pipes on it. Why not?
BSH- Yamato 80, restricted 102/302 and SW 20
CSH/CSR- all current legal motors
DSH- current legal motors
BMH- current legal motors PLUS Merc 25XS
CMH- current legal motors
DMH- current legal motors
DMR- current legal motors
FEH- current legal motors


Look at the APBA points page. These are the truly viable classes that exist. There is a place for every current engine to run. There is a speed range to satisfy every sized driver. There are 6 classes considered "stock" and 7 "mod".

1 Commission. 1 VP. Each class has a technical committee. 1 set of rules (4 boat minimum for high points, etc.) This is not complicated.

I've said this before, it works in Inboard. 1.5 litre Stock. 1.5 litre Mod. 2.5 Stock...2.5 Mod. Who cares what the classes are called, they are INBOARDS! Just like us...we're OUTBOARD. Why is this being treated like nuclear physics?

[Ron Hill]

MIKEY, Cool Stuff But....

Just for fun, I thought I'd attach a copy of an old FAX my dad sent in 1995 on the topic of category combination. Some parts are a little dated, as one might expect, but I still think it's germane as background for this conversation. Looking at the classes lined up in columns is fun, too.

TGIF.

MAH.

This is ONLY 1995 stuff, but did anyone read what your dad was suggesting for AR, BR, CR and DR???? Holly COW.....FULL SHIFTING GEARCASES??? That has to be crazier than combining MODS and Stocks??? What was Fred thinking???

How could you possibly race with a "FULL SHIFTING" gearcase???

It'll never work!

[Shep]

How could you possibly race with a "FULL SHIFTING" gearcase???

Let's see Get in boat , start engine , grab a hand full of throttle and go - don't forget to turn left at the orange bouy

[Brian10s]

Look at the APBA points page. These are the truly viable classes that exist. There is a place for every current engine to run. There is a speed range to satisfy every sized driver. There are 6 classes considered "stock" and 7 "mod". Why is this being treated like nuclear physics?

You need to walk before you can run the high banks of Daytona. Pick your poison. You can combine categories or you can eliminate classes- you will never get everyone on board to do both at the same time.

Inboard the way it is currently did not happen overnight and neither did the title series. Either method, consolidation or cutting classes is going to be messy.

If you want to make this happen - we leave no man (or woman) behind!

[sam]

Full shifting cases are being used in OPC's Mini GP classes and Europe's equivalent of J and their next step class.

The European racing looks really great, close competition and kids having fun.

They will be here when we are gone.

SCCA car racing has classes with exotic racing equipment ... but they also have fierce competition in ... Showroom Stock classes

[Bob Rusnak]

Full shifting cases are being used in OPC's Mini GP classes and Europe's equivalent of J and their next step class.

The European racing looks really great, close competition and kids having fun.

They will be here when we are gone.

SCCA car racing has classes with exotic racing equipment ... but they also have fierce competition in ... Showroom Stock classes

APBA use to run the 36 class. Was a great class and had plenty of entries. These were gear shift engines, and cheap to run. Used on a DSR boat...Bob

[Ron Hill]

Stock Outboards.......

I'm promoting a Mini Boat Enduro, the first week of April 2011 at Lake Cahquill, Indio, California. I'm putting my money where my month is on shifting gearcases.

I also own three COR 2.0 (Class Outboard Runabouts) boats that run 2.0 liter Mercs, with full shifting gearcases. We had 13 at last year's 300 Enduro in Division III. I can put a COR 2.0 together (Boat, motor and trailer) cheaper than my grand niece's Merc J-AXS-A motor cost us!

The Parker Enduro moto was: Let no boat be left behind. 50 boats started the race last year.

ADD:

36 Runabout, if the class was allowed as a LOCAL CLASS in Region 11 and 12, I know four 36's that have been parked for 30 years, that would come back out.

[raceright]

I've said it before and it seems there is some agreement in these posts. Pro is exotic and not for everyone--specialized machining is the norm to make a pro engine at the manufacture level and will be needed to make them even faster.
Not for the average boat racing team. The title series is the only place were the four cylinder types are ran with the exception of a few times on the west coast,and then only runabouts(350 hydro a little).
From time to time the small pro classes run with stock and mod but that too is limited.
I ran formular e runabout a few years back-real fun ride and even won a few times--some of these are getting pretty exotic would be cool to have them at some pro races lolololo
But Stock has its own stresses and hopefully the commission sees the light.
All this talk might help that.

I'm on my way to a car show to display a 500 runabout and a top hydro (was invited) along with my trailer this will more than likely not produce a new member in the PRO catergory.
Wish I could send those interested to a outboard dealer who had info on how to enter stock outboard.

[oldracer]

Pat, can you show some pictures of your display at the car show?

[Kev43V]

I've said it before and it seems there is some agreement in these posts. Pro is exotic and not for everyone--specialized machining is the norm to make a pro engine at the manufacture level and will be needed to make them even faster.
Not for the average boat racing team. The title series is the only place were the four cylinder types are ran with the exception of a few times on the west coast,and then only runabouts(350 hydro a little).
From time to time the small pro classes run with stock and mod but that too is limited.
I ran formular e runabout a few years back-real fun ride and even won a few times--some of these are getting pretty exotic would be cool to have them at some pro races lolololo
But Stock has its own stresses and hopefully the commission sees the light.
All this talk might help that.

I'm on my way to a car show to display a 500 runabout and a top hydro (was invited) along with my trailer this will more than likely not produce a new member in the PRO catergory.
Wish I could send those interested to a outboard dealer who had info on how to enter stock outboard.

There are several handouts you can get from the HQ: J division, Driving school. and others
Chicago Paul put together a trifold document that has the classes and speeds plus other info. while these handouts do nothing to actually "close" on a new racer they are rather informative

[raceright]

All

Just back from car show(less than 1 mile from my home on long island)
About top hydro I was asked is this a airplane,jet ski,jet boat and alot of what is it. Pretty funny.
Runabout was pretty much "what is it".

I gave out about 75 programs that were left over from the Hartford race (USTS). These Programs were paid for by APBA Via Pro Commission.
I might have hit on something here APBA and Catergory commissions might think about financing some programs to be handed out at Race Events as well as Car,Boat, Antique Meets.
But did point out to several moms and dads the pictures of the Kpro boats. There was the most intrest,both Boys And Girls. Also pointed out to several teenage girls the article in program that mentions Amy. This went over pretty good with these gals. Also refered to (as in program) USTS webb site and APBA webb site. All the young one said they will check this out.

Will try to post some pictures later if David can help (I suck with this computer) No laughing Sue,Diane,Cookie,and all you other computer Brains

Pat Wright

[raceright]

i'm promoting a mini boat enduro, the first week of april 2011 at lake cahquill, indio, california. I'm putting my money where my month is on shifting gearcases.

I also own three cor 2.0 (class outboard runabouts) boats that run 2.0 liter mercs, with full shifting gearcases. We had 13 at last year's 300 enduro in division iii. I can put a cor 2.0 together (boat, motor and trailer) cheaper than my grand niece's merc j-axs-a motor cost us!

The parker enduro moto was: Let no boat be left behind. 50 boats started the race last year.

Add:

36 runabout, if the class was allowed as a local class in region 11 and 12, i know four 36's that have been parked for 30 years, that would come back out.

do it

[raceright]

There are several handouts you can get from the HQ: J division, Driving school. and others
Chicago Paul put together a trifold document that has the classes and speeds plus other info. while these handouts do nothing to actually "close" on a new racer they are rather informative
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Been in APBA over thirty years,a commissioner for the last 6 and this is the first I have heard of any hand outs--my opinion only here. Either they are very small with little info, or maybe only like a flyer. Or maybe a secret what ever the PROMOTION is weak at best. You can not over promote,but you sure as sh---t can under promote as has happened to Power Boat Racing.

[raceright]

Just for fun, I thought I'd attach a copy of an old FAX my dad sent in 1995 on the topic of category combination. Some parts are a little dated, as one might expect, but I still think it's germane as background for this conversation. Looking at the classes lined up in columns is fun, too.

TGIF.

MAH.

Something this wise is almost always ignored--to bad. (only self intrest and ego's stands in the way)

Pat Wright