OK MOD Commissioners...How are ya.....??

[STEVE FRENCH]

Gonn'a handle the influx of 25SSH racer's need'n a home..............IF..................?

What are the AOF/NBRA options....?

What Canada CBF options remain?

Tough questions.......... to.............. tough proposals..?...maybe....maybe not..........!

[Dave M]

What Proposals ?

Steve,

Is there proposals already on the table for this ? Are they tough ? Help us out and spill the beans ! What do you know ?

I doubt the Mods are gonna simply add a new class to the structure as 25SSH/R. The typical commission is not real receptive to the idea of adding classes in my experiences.

[STEVE FRENCH]

That's da point Dave.....as a 25XS/SSH owner/racer/promotor/fan,........... I don't KNOW WHAT ....TA ...........TINK!!!!!

No way we're gonn'a fit....restricted, in back of da pack of another STOCK class.

Maybe we're not "Real Racers".....but when dis class has it's act together,....It's usually a well run, exciting, show with
experienced drivers that spend twice the time WAIT'N in their rigs to go out.......than it takes for other classes to run......
Point?................They "get-er-done"!

Just look at da STOCK OUTBOARD promotional add/tape/commercial....... Dana produced and see which class grabs yer eye.

I'm really tired of dis whole situation and hope others relate/understand?

25MOD is/sounds scared(?) of this motor.(and with 9 voters what are the chances of a chance?)
BMH is a "Yamato only"...... welcome class.........
CMH is a scarrie ride for these rigs..........
DMH......HUH?

Going ta bed and hope in da morn'n it's just a bad dream......night...... night!

[B Walker]

Maybe we're not "Real Racers".....but when dis class has it's act together,....It's usually a well run, exciting, show with
experienced drivers that spend twice the time WAIT'N in their rigs to go out.......than it takes for other classes ahead of them take to run......

First. some might say this class has not had its act together scince the Merc Challenge days.

Dunno about what makes 'em real racers part.....they are jus as real as anyone else......if waiting around for your race to start makes you a real racer than the J drivers are as real as it gets

Here is the problem with 25XS in George Orwell terms......some are more equal than others. That inherently makes them not a fit into Stock Outboard.

Not sure how it fits into Modified though......write a proposal or float a trial balloon right here on HR.

Wait around alot and be dedicated to your motor of choice and you should get extra privledges seems to sum up your post?

[STEVE FRENCH]

First. some might say this class has not had its act together scince the Merc Challenge days.

Dunno about what makes 'em real racers part.....they are jus as real as anyone else......if waiting around for your race to start makes you a real racer than the J drivers are as real as it gets

Here is the problem with 25XS in George Orwell terms......some are more equal than others. That inherently makes them not a fit into Stock Outboard.

Not sure how it fits into Modified though......write a proposal or float a trial balloon right here on HR.

Wait around alot and be dedicated to your motor of choice and you should get extra privledges seems to sum up your post?

UUUUUHHHHH.....YEP YEP.... dat's wat I thought would come out'a dis.............

[B Walker]

This thread is not constructive.

I think I got trolled but am not sure yet so I guess I will play along.

BW

[STEVE FRENCH]

Bill (7F),

Iv'e enjoyed many conversations with you at Ocoee/Lock Haven/others.......

Like the C-MOD Merc you enjoy run'n from time to time......here's another engine group look'n at it's options in the progression from STOCK to MODIFIED to VINTAGE.......
so far....unlike yer C-MOD MERC/Wizard...which still enjoys a toe-hold/resurgence in C-MOD ....The 25XS In my "pee-brain" (Charlie Fry quote).....is only look'n at the boot (in it's current drivable/enjoyable form)......... to VINTAGE.......(Again...just MY sole frustrated paranoi-ya).

(I'm not a 25SSH spoke's-person by any appointment for sure...just a scared/frustrated owner/racer).....

The point of this thread is >>>>>MY SOLE APPEAL<<<<<<<......... to the MOD Commissioners to consider...... IF....... the boot comes at the convention this Winter,........to let'n this engine run in 25MOD as a "Proto-type" or "probationary" with the current data from Mike Marshal and others who run both classes..Doc Miller/Mike Marshall are two of the current (9) drivers of the class that have show'd an alliance in the proposal in the STOCK restructure thread to this idea.....(there's no other place it would work/be welcome in my-sole opinion).........there's no ballot/proposal on the table......Just this sole begger's....beg/grovel....
Down the road.....If this idea would come to a proposal ...........it would go to a class ballot/vote...(and that's only if the "Big Kahuna"/Chairman limits a vote to class participants which this season IS-->>....(9) !!!!..)......Other wise it would go to the MODIFIED Membership?

I was one of several who help'd bring the old 25ss Merc/22 ci OMC's to A-MOD (in stock form)......has it help'd the class ?......well so far those new engines to the class have helped keep the class on the water at several race sites and has only made it to 3rd place at a National level event (the 2009 MODIFIED Nationals (me)......IF....one of them evers wins a National level event, I'm sure it will be debated.
Also the 20H commode has started to come back in AMR include'n a win at the 2009 MODIFIED Nationals at Zanesville...It was a great/exciting show...WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS APPLAUDE'D BY THE REST OF THE CLASS AND EVENT PARTICIPANTS.

A-MOD is quickly rebound'n as a most popular MOD class.....Might not show yet in "bean-counter" numbers....but just watch the next few years.....!

Hope you've got'n a few good rides with your C-MOD Merc.....did my timing adjustment two years ago at Lock Haven help/hurt....performance?........see ya next season..(and possibly Jessup this year).......Steve 100N

[sam]

Me and My Arrow

spend twice the time WAIT'N in their rigs to go out.......than it takes for other classes ahead of them take to run......

You got nothing on the 850's ... the least water time in the same number of laps compared to other classes ... if you weren't looking ... POOF! they're already done

It was not a valid point in any direction

[B Walker]

Hello Steve, this is Brad Walker, Bill's son. Dad does not do computers, they do him.

Dad did a minor rebuild on the 30h mod this summer and is starting from scratch again.

He has a long way to go to catch up with the Luce/Whitham motor.

We will be at Jesup. Hope you can make it

BW

[Dave M]

Frenchie

Steve,

In MOD there is a rule that I believe Jeff Williams used to point out a lot. It is a very powerful tool that is way under used. It is "Prototype"

Perhaps you should check your rules, yes you find it and read it.

In a nutshell, it allows you to run any engine in any class as a prototype for no points. It gives someone a chance to prove their proposal of an engine is not going to obsolete the current platform. Nobody wants that to happen. So go find that rul in the book, and read up on the exact wording and how to implement it, etc.

I believe you will find your answers here. You might not get points for next season running it in the mod class you choose, but it might prove or disprove your point.

I know 400CCM needs help in terms of numbers. I feel the class is nearly gone now as people are always needing to contact each other to make sure there are enough.

[modhydro]

25 mod class

I know this will probably make some mad and several of them are my friends. Hell, I cut my racing teeth in this class. It has been on life support for quite a while. Would it not make sense to roll it into B (350) for the hydro? I know that there will always be the "but I run both classes," and "it is just one class" stuff, but how sustainable is it really? I know that when I was running it, it wasn't a legal step up to the B class so there were times I didn't get to run.

Just more thoughts

Steve Roskowski

[STEVE FRENCH]

I know this will probably make some mad and several of them are my friends. Hell, I cut my racing teeth in this class. It has been on life support for quite a while. Would it not make sense to roll it into B (350) for the hydro? I know that there will always be the "but I run both classes," and "it is just one class" stuff, but how sustainable is it really? I know that when I was running it, it wasn't a legal step up to the B class so there were times I didn't get to run.

Just more thoughts

Steve Roskowski

Ah young Luke Sky-Walker....I believe you will find the answers to your questions in the fallow'n thread from years past (2008).....Luv from the dark side, Darth Vader

Perhaps today ("down the road") BMH would be more receptive to support from other engines?........."Let the force be with you"...in your quest Luke (aka S.Roskowski)

https://hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12735

[A/B Speedliner]

I do not understand this lingo

I can not comprehend the words spoken by Mr. French, must not be part of the English I was taught 70 years ago.

[JP53-N]

Does anyone ever go by you from behind?

Speaking of lingo!?!

[STEVE FRENCH]

I know this will probably make some mad and several of them are my friends. Hell, I cut my racing teeth in this class. It has been on life support for quite a while. Would it not make sense to roll it into B (350) for the hydro? I know that there will always be the "but I run both classes," and "it is just one class" stuff, but how sustainable is it really? I know that when I was running it, it wasn't a legal step up to the B class so there were times I didn't get to run.

Just more thoughts

Steve Roskowski

Steve (Luke Sky-Walker),

Where your quest will run into trouble...errr...challenge is in MOD where members have the vote....a double sided sword (light faser) cause members of the majority engine that only want to compete with their brand and who have their ducks in a row and the funds to attend the National Convention without any membership preview/debate/voice, of proposals/ballots before said Convention........WILL prevail.
If the MORC sets a final date to submit proposals and publishes them for member review and allows forum debate so benefit of logic can prevail......you might have a chance......

As long as the entire membership is allowed the opportunity to review a proposal before the convention, this system in todays high speed world of communication should be fair?
Otherwise surprises such as the fallow'n WILL happen and hind-sight (and duck herders) will be the only benefactor;

Quote......(2008 BMH ballot proposal to add 50lbs (reduced to 25lbs) to 25MOD rigs in BMH)..... https://hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12735
1a.
"As you can tell, I find it frustrating that the Mod Commission members spend their personal time and money to try to keep the category in forward motion and a few drivers (usually during ballot time) try to train wreck decisions that they should have been involved with from the start. Why aren’t you guys paying attention?"
Bob Koschka
1b.
"I guess what really bothers me about the arrival of this ballot ("Freight train") is that I didn't see it coming down the tracks.......maybe that IS my own fault?....
I think I saw several request for what proposals were going to the MOD convention and somehow missed the replys?....
I also read the PROPELLER from back to front and did not see any mention of this in fall issues BEFORE or after the convention....
When you have proposals that are of this importance, is it too much to ask for a outline and reasons with history for us new and ignorant members of the class to be published in the PROPELLER far enough ahead so we can contact our Commissioners BEFORE it is a ballot item?"
Steve French 100N
1c.
"........... What DISPARITY? Look at the available competition statistic records.
Gents, this is quite simply matter of a group of B-Mod Yamato guys who have support from the Mod Commissioners to put on the ballot a measure to force one (1) supremely competitive 25Mod guy (Doc Miller) out of the line-up at the Nationals. See it for what it is. If it ain't already obvious, I feel strongly about this.
Mike Marshall, Raceboat 61-S

(Here was da "icing" on that cake);
Originally Posted by racingfan
"There should be an additional rule. Racers that don't have enough brains to make there own decision and have to go to Hydroracer for help deciding how to vote should be required to wear a shirt that says "Jackass" for one season. Second offenses are where we shove a 2X4 up there azz's and have them walk throught the pits like a freeze pop.

Further more racers that lobby on the internet to gather votes for a rule change in there class thinking they are making a difference should be subjected to a manditory IQ test prior to APBA membership and one year of working with Ed Hearn as a volunteer at the Hair Club For Men."
Mike Barrett's 2 Cents.

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I failed in the above debate to get my point across and have regressed/Segway'd back to the mushroom cave to brew as "Hydro-Whiner" and poke "told ya so's"......sad, but true till I dust myself off, fix a strong cup of Irish coffee, and see where others have "seen the light" and benefit of COMMUNICATION and engine competition... in this "business"...errr... sport?

Join me young luke......For the benefit of the Dark....errr..... MOD side....for my days (and knees) at this game are fade'n...."In race'n brotherhood", Darth...errr..."Frenchie"

The above statement/outline is da sole opinion (so far) of "Hydro-Whiner"/"Freeze Pop"/"Frenchie">>> 100N)

PS...Steve R., Any luck with your C-MOD Merc project this season?

Below; ".........with Ed Hearn as a volunteer at the Hair Club For Men.".....ding,ding,ding....whoo..whoo