OK MOD Commissioners...How are ya.....??

[mercguy]

the rules.....

Steve,

In MOD there is a rule that I believe Jeff Williams used to point out a lot. It is a very powerful tool that is way under used. It is "Prototype"

Perhaps you should check your rules, yes you find it and read it.

In a nutshell, it allows you to run any engine in any class as a prototype for no points. It gives someone a chance to prove their proposal of an engine is not going to obsolete the current platform. Nobody wants that to happen. So go find that rul in the book, and read up on the exact wording and how to implement it, etc.

I believe you will find your answers here. You might not get points for next season running it in the mod class you choose, but it might prove or disprove your point.

I know 400CCM needs help in terms of numbers. I feel the class is nearly gone now as people are always needing to contact each other to make sure there are enough.

the MORC still has to "approve" a "prototype" motor for a class............

[STEVE FRENCH]

I can not comprehend the words spoken by Mr. French, must not be part of the English I was taught 70 years ago.

A/B,
I edited my posts with sobriety....and hopefully humor to the "lingo"..........

Hope they are more comprehensible?


"What we seem to have here is a failure to COMMUNICATE"! (Blazen Saddles+?)
"I'm guilty?....Your guilty!.........this court is GUILTY!!!!" (Serpico/Al Pachino?)
What film(s) did these (mis) quotes come from...........?

[A/B Speedliner]

Thanks

That is easier for an old fart like myself to understand.
David

[bill hoctor]

MishMosh POSTS

TO STEVE FRENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank goodness you have seen the LIGHT, I, in the past have for-gone your post for the indescribable rambling...Thank you for you attention in this matter..... Bill

[STEVE FRENCH]

TO STEVE FRENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank goodness you have seen the LIGHT, I, in the past have for-gone your post for the indescribable rambling...Thank you for you attention in this matter..... Bill

Ditto................ Steve

Oh, and I....see....my...style...IS ....ADDICT"N.....HUH?!!!!!!!!!!!....Steve....

[Dave M]

Steve French

Why don't you write up a proposal and post it here. Then people can pick it apart, offer suggestions, support your arguments, and others can offer support or not. Then once this is debated here, you can tweak your final proposal if you want to, and email it off to your Region commisioner to address in Detroit this next meeting.

I suggest using regular lingo... I know you can I have talked to you enough times at the races.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Steve (Luke Sky-Walker),

Where your quest will run into trouble...errr...challenge is in MOD where members have the vote....a double sided sword (light faser) cause members of the majority engine that only want to compete with their brand and who have their ducks in a row and the funds to attend the National Convention without any membership preview/debate/voice, of proposals/ballots before said Convention........WILL prevail.
If the MORC sets a final date to submit proposals and publishes them for member review and allows forum debate so benefit of logic can prevail......you might have a chance......

As long as the entire membership is allowed the opportunity to review a proposal before the convention, this system in todays high speed world of communication should be fair?
Otherwise surprises such as the fallow'n WILL happen and hind-sight (and duck herders) will be the only benefactor;

Quote......(2008 BMH ballot proposal to add 50lbs (reduced to 25lbs) to 25MOD rigs in BMH)..... https://hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12735
1a.
"As you can tell, I find it frustrating that the Mod Commission members spend their personal time and money to try to keep the category in forward motion and a few drivers (usually during ballot time) try to train wreck decisions that they should have been involved with from the start. Why aren’t you guys paying attention?"
Bob Koschka
1b.
"I guess what really bothers me about the arrival of this ballot ("Freight train") is that I didn't see it coming down the tracks.......maybe that IS my own fault?....
I think I saw several request for what proposals were going to the MOD convention and somehow missed the replys?....
I also read the PROPELLER from back to front and did not see any mention of this in fall issues BEFORE or after the convention....
When you have proposals that are of this importance, is it too much to ask for a outline and reasons with history for us new and ignorant members of the class to be published in the PROPELLER far enough ahead so we can contact our Commissioners BEFORE it is a ballot item?"
Steve French 100N
1c.
"........... What DISPARITY? Look at the available competition statistic records.
Gents, this is quite simply matter of a group of B-Mod Yamato guys who have support from the Mod Commissioners to put on the ballot a measure to force one (1) supremely competitive 25Mod guy (Doc Miller) out of the line-up at the Nationals. See it for what it is. If it ain't already obvious, I feel strongly about this.
Mike Marshall, Raceboat 61-S

(Here was da "icing" on that cake);
Originally Posted by racingfan
"There should be an additional rule. Racers that don't have enough brains to make there own decision and have to go to Hydroracer for help deciding how to vote should be required to wear a shirt that says "Jackass" for one season. Second offenses are where we shove a 2X4 up there azz's and have them walk throught the pits like a freeze pop.

Further more racers that lobby on the internet to gather votes for a rule change in there class thinking they are making a difference should be subjected to a manditory IQ test prior to APBA membership and one year of working with Ed Hearn as a volunteer at the Hair Club For Men."
Mike Barrett's 2 Cents.

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I failed in the above debate to get my point across and have regressed/Segway'd back to the mushroom cave to brew as "Hydro-Whiner" and poke "told ya so's"......sad, but true till I dust myself off, fix a strong cup of Irish coffee, and see where others have "seen the light" and benefit of COMMUNICATION and engine competition... in this "business"...errr... sport?

Join me young luke......For the benefit of the Dark....errr..... MOD side....for my days (and knees) at this game are fade'n...."In race'n brotherhood", Darth...errr..."Frenchie"

The above statement/outline is da sole opinion (so far) of "Hydro-Whiner"/"Freeze Pop"/"Frenchie">>> 100N)

PS...Steve R., Any luck with your C-MOD Merc project this season?

".........with Ed Hearn as a volunteer at the Hair Club For Men.".....ding,ding,ding....whoo..whoo

Steve R.
Here we are again at that time of year........again...No one knows, or will know till the ballots come out.......by then it's too late.

Below is a quote from the Nov. 2010 Propeller/Chaiman Tom S.
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The 2010 racing season is over. Congratulations to
all of the High Point champions. For those of you
that challenged for high points, keep trying. Perseverance
pays off. I attended a lot of races this year and
witnessed a lot of very competitive racing.
By now, region meetings have taken place and the
Modified Commission should be in place. This is the
time to voice your concerns and present your proposals
to myself or your commissioner in order to be considered
at the National Meeting in January in Detroit.
Your proposal should state:
• The rule that you want changed as it now reads
• Your version with the proposed changes as you
would like it to read in the 2011 rule book
• The reason for the change—and, if required
• Data to support your proposal.
Please try to get proposals in by mid-December.
This gives me time to include your proposal in the National
Meeting packet sent to all of the commissioners
in early January. Include your telephone number with
your proposal so that I or your commissioner can call
you with any questions that we may have pertaining to
your proposal.
With meeting time being limited, it is important to
get your ideas submitted early. Last-minute proposals
generally do not get the attention that they deserve.
Congratulations to John Maroney. John set a new
3 lap / 3 mile competition record of 66.482 MPH in
500ccMH at Lake Lawrence in Yelm, Washington on
September 26, 2010.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------End Quote
It's the system that Mod has had for years.............Good to get stuff done.......
But scary cause there's no debate'n a proposal .......BEFORE.......... it go's to vote.....

Especially if your a minority engine owner that is runn'n down/come'n close to a win against the majority engine......It creates a situation where as a driver your welcome to support a class to keep'm out there ,....But if ever your in da final stretch in da lead,....Do ya take the checkard ....or pull the kill switch?.................
Cause next year you could face a bunch of rule changes against ya.............."If ya can't beat em on da race course,.....beat'm with a rule change!"

[madstork]

What we have here...is failure to communicate.

Cool Hand Luke.

Sincerely,

Doug 87-P

[crankbearing]

What we have here...is failure to communicate.

Cool Hand Luke.

Sincerely,

Doug 87-P

OR.... G"n"R "Civil War"


"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!"

Dave

[madstork]

"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!"

Well met Dave.

" Therefore let every man now task his thought,
that this fair action may on foot be brought. " King Henry.

Final sentence from Act I, Scene II...The Life of King Henry The Fifth,
William Shakespeare.

Sincerely,

Doug

[Jeff Brewster 59s]

Hang in there Frenchie...

I am still hoping for a resolution to the 25xs situation. Last year at Seattle I sent in a proposal with a few MORC members to have us added as a probationary motor with all current stock specifications. I could not be present due to being in the SORC meetings at the same time.
Even though the records in 400cch and 25ssh are almost exact we were tossed out. Many fear that a couple of the faster guys may win a race. I wonder if that would be all that bad since there is hardly anyone left anyway.

I understand now that I used the wrong terminology in my proposal. This time I will use the work "prototype" instead of "probationary" to hopefully get the opportunity to race in the modified category for the first time in my career.

Many argue that we need testing data? Sure I could blow smoke with numbers all day. The best data will be observed on the race course to see if the engines are compatible or not. I do not want to hurt 400cch. If we are faster around the course then we will know this isn't the answer. If so, we could put our restrictor plates back in that are rolling around in our tool boxes.

I look forward to trying to beat the fast guys in the class with my stocker. It sure as heck won't be easy to beat great drivers such as Miller and Wheeler. But, if the MORC doesn't need any more drivers in the category, I will just shut up and go back to where I grew up.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Jeff,
I have drifted from the original topic of this thread....SURPRISE??!!!!

Like we talk'd at the "Fun-Run".........I think 25SSH will survive and the 25XS will probably find a prototype spot in MOD......

My last rant above...... in this thread is about the ballot system........I guess I should also shut-up cause it has served well when things went the way I hoped they would.......(22 OMC/MERC in A-MOD........OMC-A foot/yamato 302 foot in 25MOD......etc)

It just seems there is a step miss'n between the author of a proposal and when the the ballot winds up in da mail box for a vote..........?
Without being able to attend the convention where a well organized presenter of a proposal can present a change at the last minute with little if any debate,........ and without live coverage of the meet'n......all the membership can do is hope the Commisioners have enough fore-site and knowledge of issues of a class,..... to see how the class can be effected........
Especially on big proposals that affect an entire class's structure.....

Well enough of this rant......back to the mushroom cave......................

[madstork]

Hmmm... It seems that Driver participation is part of the issue.
I have been racing since 2005, my only ride being DSH 44XS.
Jeff, Steve, or anyone, put me in one to test next spring.
I may get hooked! If thats the case Stock, Mod will make no difference
to me. The only obstacle will be financial. I like Mercs!

Sincerely,

Doug

[STEVE FRENCH]

Hmmm... It seems that Driver participation is part of the issue.
I have been racing since 2005, my only ride being DSH 44XS.
Jeff, Steve, or anyone, put me in one to test next spring.
I may get hooked! If thats the case Stock, Mod will make no difference
to me. The only obstacle will be financial. I like Mercs!

Sincerely,

Doug

Doug,
I have my 25SS powerhead with Parker pipe wait'n for a place ta run in 25MOD.......Between it and your 25SS stocker and my Bezoat 116N hydro we can git ya out there in A-MOD and 25MOD.......might be mid pack in A-MOD/ (your weight and the Bezoat-25 rig) with your stock powerhead but should be a desent ride in 25MOD with my piped powerhead on your tower/foot.
plus with the DSH wheels you tested at Charlies fun-Run and a few "D" wheels I have for the 16/21 foot, we should be able to put you and someone in my other rig ("Red Devil"/Altralite+22 OMC) out there at a few sites next summer......plus my 25XS and 20H commode (Charlies ride with my B-Webster rig) will be in da motor box.....plenty of stuff fer yer MERC fix....ta chase Mike 45P, Charlie, Deb Stoner,Earl,George Stillwell, Mike 41P, etc... with!!!!.............100N

You should have your APBA renewal by now......be sure to check the "Super Category" to run MODIFIED/STOCK/(PRO)..........(Make Jeff 5P smile by list'n MODIFIED as your "Main Catagory"!!!)

[madstork]

Thanks Steve. Looking forward to next spring.
I also have Doug Hamilton's old B&H. We are going to fix it up over the
winter. He ran a KG-4 or 7 on it at the lake. Thought it would be a good
boat for the 25SS. The boat is similar to Fast Freddie's 86-P and Mike's 45-P
Steeler ride. Do you think we could run a 25XS on this Boat?

Thanks,

Doug