Future is Now

[Dave M]

3 Cents

I believe stock needs to implement Dean's plan, freeze the rules for 5 years and revisit in 5 years. To many people on the comissions that have different ideas and this has lead to where it is today.

When I say freeze the rules, I mean freeze them, don't let Eddie in, or the saftey guys. We have plenty of it already.

[blueskyracer]

I believe stock needs to implement Dean's plan, freeze the rules for 5 years and revisit in 5 years. To many people on the comissions that have different ideas and this has lead to where it is today.

When I say freeze the rules, I mean freeze them, don't let Eddie in, or the saftey guys. We have plenty of it already.

I like the idea of a freeze. Seems most think there has to be at least a rule change every year to show they did there job. Not necessary!

[Terry Kerr]

52 cents worth

for those who were at Big Rapids on sun.morn. might have saw a good MERC. running in Asr.... It was Peter Laurer with his Davids floater,Axr. running right next to me for three laps in asr, and he would of beat me if he had the in side............. Food for thought.... the ax's are running the same as the omc w/no restictor...... future..... "A" or "AX" one class; 15merc./15omc. no restiction.... it looked good for four heats...... 52 cents worth,luv ya

[Kev43V]

I bet nascar would only be slightly more popular than us. If he powers that be demanded that the only motors run were flat head fords...just sayin.....

[sam]

future..... "A" or "AX" one class; 15merc./15omc. no restiction.... it looked good for four heats...... 52 cents worth,luv ya

Same logic says CSH and 500MH should be combined - A and AX are not just different classes, they are different Divisions in APBA

[Gunjumper]

Terrys' post just brought something to my attention. All of this parity and motor combining is all contingent upon the motors of each type being the same, which they are not. There are dud Merc/OMC/Yamato's, mid pack, and rip roaring ones. How are we going to set a standard for parity of the "enter motor here" and the other motor to be equal if there is such a difference in performance from the great ones to the dud ones? We all know that Terry is definitly the slowest ASR in the country (lol, luv you bro), but if we use Lauers' AX and Terrys' A - both tops in each class - to set the parity, there will be many others who will not achieve similar results. I'm just typing as I think here, and I guess what I'm saying is the situation we're in really stinks, and it couldn't come at a worse time with the economy where it is.

[sam]

Terrys' post just brought something to my attention ... all contingent upon the motors of each type being the same, which they are not. There are dud Merc/OMC/Yamato's, mid pack, and rip roaring ones. ... and it couldn't come at a worse time with the economy where it is.

Well put. Wiser words are rarely spoken.

[Big Don]

Terrys' post just brought something to my attention. All of this parity and motor combining is all contingent upon the motors of each type being the same, which they are not. There are dud Merc/OMC/Yamato's, mid pack, and rip roaring ones. How are we going to set a standard for parity of the "enter motor here" and the other motor to be equal if there is such a difference in performance from the great ones to the dud ones? We all know that Terry is definitly the slowest ASR in the country (lol, luv you bro), but if we use Lauers' AX and Terrys' A - both tops in each class - to set the parity, there will be many others who will not achieve similar results. I'm just typing as I think here, and I guess what I'm saying is the situation we're in really stinks, and it couldn't come at a worse time with the economy where it is.

I could not agree more...I think I tried saying that about 2 weeks ago on here but hopefully you said it better.

[csh12M]

Parity

Greg,

Very good point. I am writing the proposal now and included the essential need for a parity committee and process that everybody understands and works. If we want multiple motors in a class, which is what gives us low cost racing options, than parity is something that we must get better at.

I believe you have to handicap motors based on the "best" motors in the class, not the average. I also believe that as long as someone "knows" and "see's" that the motor they own can or has won, than they have perceived "hope" that they can get their also.

Just some quick thoughts.
12M

[Kev43V]

how about you try it in your region for a couple years as local classes? Then if it does work present your data proving it.
If you do not support NEW legal motors in classes, then you are living in the past and NOT looking to the future.
Parity efforts should be limited to making the new motors fit without causing the C.O.R.E racers to bail.

[csh12M]

Local vrs. National

We cant just try it at a local level and see if it will work? If I owned a 25SSR why would I pay entry fee and just go out with the CSR to test parity. Nothing will work at a local level without National structure. All three of my BSH entries in MHRA are willing to support this proposal Nationally. However, if it is still a National class than they want to race it, HighPoint, National Title, HOC implications. You cant just say try it locally, and call that a solution. If it was that easy it would of been done ten years ago.

[Kev43V]

We cant just try it at a local level and see if it will work? If I owned a 25SSR why would I pay entry fee and just go out with the CSR to test parity. Nothing will work at a local level without National structure. All three of my BSH entries in MHRA are willing to support this proposal Nationally. However, if it is still a National class than they want to race it, HighPoint, National Title, HOC implications. You cant just say try it locally, and call that a solution. If it was that easy it would of been done ten years ago.

Because you are making a commitment to the future. If you are not willing to put your time and effort and yes money, into proving a plan...

I think if people had been expected to do that for the last ten years we would not be still spinning in circles 10 year later.

[Dave M]

Parity ? LOL

How about a new category in APBA, call it Stock Outboard. Place an emphasis on STOCK outboard.... and your parity issues might a lot easier to handle. It was not long ago the D stock engines were allowed to modify the block more so than the Mod category 750CCM could. I.E. Line boring. Porting is legal in the class too. Hmm, blue printing ?

Does anyone really seriously wonder why you have those super duper entries and those mid pack entries in stock outboard ? Has anyone questioned why today a stock equivalent of the Mod class can be run together and be competitive ?

[Kev43V]

in fact I will go out on a limb here:
I am sure that if a commission was still in charge of the J division. The Merc J motor would have failed. Someone would have used scare tactics to replace those that brought it in. Their replacements would have seen to it that the OMC remained dominate.Then it would have been removed from the class. The growth we see in the J's would not exist. it would only be the existing members kids running it. then they would have congratulated themselves on how they "saved" the J's. OF course it is important to keep the existing members kids involved. but if you think that in and of its self is what will "save" the sport. You better throw your birth control away and start having a lot more kids.

On the J's, how many years was the Merc available before:
1) there was an increase in newbies?
2) it became the dominate motor?

[csh2z]

Here is a thought.
1) One in production motor per class
2) Phase out old motors in 3 -5 years.
3) Schedule Stock Outboard Classic at your races, and run combined with the Stock classes.
Ex. ASH -Sidewinder drivers get points etc. Classic entries get the inexpensive ride/race they want with local awards. Serious racers will find a way to by those new motors. Newbies can start with older/cheaper stuff and/or buy new.
Stock Outboard is happy because we have defined ourselves with a clean slate of classes to promote for the future and a finite direction for all our members..
Manufacturers are happy because there is incentive to buy their product.
Race committees are happy because we can run a shorter schedule without losing money.
Frugal drivers are happy because they can keep their old stuff and run it indefinately.