J & AX Topics

[G Stillwill]

I am not the final answer to whats leagle but from working on so many here is what I found.

Blocks there are two different ones for the 9.9/15 -1988 to 1994-not leagle
1988 to 1994 has two big oval ports,
1994 to present have two big square ports with rounded corners and is leagle and carries the same part number
Reed boxes two different ones- one has an aluminum plate the reeds hit on, not leagle
The other has a plastic like surface the reed hit on- Leagle
1990 to present have the same cranks and same part number.
Pistons all the same 1988 to present
Rods are the same 1988 to present and same part number.
Carbs: there are so few numbers on them its hard to say if its new or old but all have a 1 inch bore on the 15HP.
Stator there are two different ones the early shows the windings on the coils- not leagle(1988 to 1998)
The other is enclosed in red plastic and is leagle(1999 to present)
Trigger is the same 1988 to present.
Switch Box 1988 to 1998 and has a hum on th side not leagle
Swithch box 1999 to present has a flat side and is leagle
Three different flywheel the first two only have two magnets and is not leagle 1988 to 1998
The only leagle one has the four magnets 1999 to present
The tuner pipe is the same from 1988 to present on the 15HP
The tower is the same from 1997 to present and is the same as the 6/8/9.9/15 and carries the same part number (take the sicker off)


This sould give you an idea what you can use and not use if anyone needs to know more just message me

[Richard Hearn]

Official and Definitive... Please!

Great. Can you get the APBA BOD and / or Committee to clarify the "1999 rule" for the J Class Merc15, and then help us peons understand whether the parts we have are legal or not based upon the serial number? Something official and definitive would be helpful.

Nobody on this thread understands it, and I know that long time folks running the class aren't abiding by your interpretation.

[Richard Hearn]

Who is John Galt???

Richard, Just run whatever parts you want to,- and at the nationals when they tear it down, if they like you they will (A)- Overlook it or (B)- make a new rule to alllow it,- or if not you get = (C)toss you out.

How do you think all these Ridiculous motor rules came about? -nothin stock about stock outboard, and the old saying tis tru, taint what ya kno, tis who ya kno- ya kno?

Thanks Todd. Not what I wanted to hear... "Who is John Galt"? If you don't know the reference, Google it and read the Wikipedia reference... If you do, I applaud you...

[Kev43V]

Kevin: it is not nitpicking. The By Laws describe the categories of racing in the APBA and J is not one of them. J is a committee of the APBA Board of Directors which is why the committee and its Chairman are appointed by the APBA President. This is a difference that actually does make a difference in how the J Committee is constituted and how decisions are made affecting the J Classes. It is actually the APBA Board of Directors that that has the final say on the J Classes.

LOL OK since you replied directly to me I will go ahead and post.
ROFL
I understand that the bylaws layout a manner of how the separate categories are to be governed. (it may very well have BEEN you that educated me on that point several years ago) And by the By-laws you can not have a category that is governed by a BOD and a committee. hence a Division is a much more appropriate term for the J classes.
I also think it may very well have been a bordering on a stroke of brilliance to not have it a category. but that is a completely different subject.
I also understand LOL that as an attorney you very livelihood depends on subtle nuances of semantics, So I understand that its hard for you to let somethings go. Had he asked anything about the how dicisions are made in the J catagory It would only make sense to make the distinction of it not actually being a cat. But since his question had nothing to do with that and everything to do with what is legal for the J classes. I stand by my position as stated in the previous post.
I hope you understand I am not vexed or POed or anything like that. I am actually kind of having some fun with this.

[csh12M]

Ayn Rand on Hydroracer

"Who is John Galt", wow an Ayn Rand reference on Hydroracer. Did you read Atlas Shrugged, or just the Cliff Notes like the rest of us, to get through the required Philosophy 101 class at Purdue?

Your application is pretty deep though, I think her philosophies definitely apply to the thread.

Just last week I questioned your depth when you stated that Avitar was the greatest movie ever made

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PS for all those entering your Freshman or Sophmore year of college http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...gged.id-7.html

[Richard Hearn]

"Who is John Galt", wow an Ayn Rand reference on Hydroracer. Did you read Atlas Shrugged, or just the Cliff Notes like the rest of us, to get through the required Philosophy 101 class at Purdue?

Your application is pretty deep though, I think her philosophies definitely apply to the thread.

Just last week I questioned your depth when you stated that Avitar was the greatest movie ever made

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PS for all those entering your Freshman or Sophmore year of college http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...gged.id-7.html

Read both Atlas Shrugged, Fountainhead and all of her essays. Actually half way thru Atlas Shrugged for a second time at the moment...

Which Ayn Rand reference is most pertinent?

1. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one's thinking; to maintain a contraction is to abdicate one's mind and to evict one's self from the realm of reality?

or

2. Man has a single basic choice: to think or not...

:-)

And, Avatar IS the best movie ever made...

[thepiranhabros]

Read both Atlas Shrugged, Fountainhead and all of her essays. Actually half way thru Atlas Shrugged for a second time at the moment...

Which Ayn Rand reference is most pertinent?

1. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one's thinking; to maintain a contraction is to abdicate one's mind and to evict one's self from the realm of reality?

or

2. Man has a single basic choice: to think or not...

:-)

And, Avatar IS the best movie ever made...

I love it when the literati come out to play!

Not meaning to hijack the thread, but absolutely the greatest movie ever made has got to be "This Is Spinal Tap." Granted, I have not yet seen Avatar, but then I don't have to. Nothing can or ever will compare to Tap!

HELLO CLEVELAND!
Michael Mackey
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[Susan Rautenberg]

oh?????

[I believe you can compete in AXSH but if you want to win consistently than the torpedo is less than, and in some cases, under the back of the boat. That is typically a 2-3" move in from even the "trick" J setup. I have not seen the best people at the Nationals run them on the same boat. I have seen people move the transom on the same boat between seasons.






tell that to Ashley Rucker!!!!! axsh-- she is running Brent Dillards old J boat-- the gearcase is about 4" -5" from back of boat and she is a front runner-too bad she wadded it up in the first turn at Nationals this year lol. Im not buying this transom bit--- infact on her kpro hydro same transom angle-- hmmmm if so maybe we can be faster????????? must be a good pit crew!!!!! all I can say is the inset transom is what is the problem in getting a J on plane and lowering the height to help getting on plane or slow down the rig isnt the answer.

[Matt Dagostino]

Different Strokes.....

tell that to Ashley Rucker!!!!! axsh-- she is running Brent Dillards old J boat-- the gearcase is about 4" -5" from back of boat and she is a front runner[/QUOTE]



For different folks! Joey Pinner has the same story. He runs his ASH Hemp about the same 4-5" torpedo distance back and when he isn't wrapping his good props around tree stumps, is one of if not the fastest ASH's in the class!

All this transom chatter aside, good driving and Stillwill HORSEPOWER tend to win the day! Lol. You appear to have both!

Susan, how do you and Cheryl feel about plugging the Merc???

Matt
ps...............Chairman Tennell does follow this thread!!

[Susan Rautenberg]

Matt

tell that to Ashley Rucker!!!!! axsh-- she is running Brent Dillards old J boat-- the gearcase is about 4" -5" from back of boat and she is a front runner

For different folks! Joey Pinner has the same story. He runs his ASH Hemp about the same 4-5" torpedo distance back and when he isn't wrapping his good props around tree stumps, is one of if not the fastest ASH's in the class!

All this transom chatter aside, good driving and Stillwill HORSEPOWER tend to win the day! Lol. You appear to have both!

Susan, how do you and Cheryl feel about plugging the Merc???

Matt
ps...............Chairman Tennell does follow this thread!![/QUOTE]



I wish I had known about it before the season was over!!!!!!!!! well we plugged a motor in October and compared it to unplugged and definitely a difference. I used hi-temp silicone so I can remove it if thats how all this turns out.
From running both an omc and merc and dinking around with this stuff--my perspective: a top notch omc can run with an unplugged merc and be competitive in J-- not so much with a plugged motor. Again this is with my equipment only-- and I know everyone has differenrt scenarios. But from watching how the kids run and seeing the plugged motors run at Yelm-- big difference there!!!!!!!!! If we want to "slow" down the J class then unplugged-- planing not an issue really that goes back to the whole transom/boat set up ordeal.
Doesnt matter to me really either way personally-- just would like the rule book to be less vague, more concise--- like to see the J class be about the kids having fun and learining how to drive--not who can come up with the most effective way to get more speed by taking advantage of a rule. Not every J parent/crew chief etc... is a motorhead and this is our beginner class--keep it on the water!!!!!!!

now we have records with plugged motors--- another fiasco-- I dont see it being an issue in AXS as much as J though!!!!!!!!

[14-H]

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Matt
ps...............Chairman Tennell does follow this thread!!

He better have read Atlas Shrugged by the 27th. I just found out Richard is going to Seattle!

[Matt Dagostino]

Cool............

He better have read Atlas Shrugged by the 27th. I just found out Richard is going to Seattle!

Looks like hospiality night will be on the Hearn brothers!

[14-H]

Read both Atlas Shrugged, Fountainhead and all of her essays. Actually half way thru Atlas Shrugged for a second time at the moment...
***...

Read history! You don't need to read "stories" to figure out that capitalism works and socialism doesn't.

[Richard Hearn]

Read history! You don't need to read "stories" to figure out that capitalism works and socialism doesn't.

Could it be that Fiction (fables) and stories are closer to the truth than is the thoroughly fact checked ABC news (nonfiction)?

[Richard Hearn]

What's left to tinker with?

Doesnt matter to me really either way personally-- just would like the rule book to be less vague, more concise---

Official and Definitive! I agree. Let's make the rules clear. How about starting with the 1999 rule?

Not every J parent/crew chief etc... is a motorhead and this is our beginner class--keep it on the water!!!!!!!

Herein lies the irony... If we standardize the props (which we have), and then look to standardize the setup (more), what else is there to "tinker" with than the motor to gain an advantage (beside of course driver skill -- which requires testing). Interestingly, tinkering with the motor is the most difficult and most expensive endeavor and we're quickly driving the class in this direction.

Ask any J Dad that endeavors to win and I bet they say they are relieved to be out of the J class because it is too expensive to win. You can make up for an average motor and average boat with a good prop to put your kid up front in AXS.