Any rule changes proposed for 2008

[seanp3]

SO Chairman.......... Are there any new rules proposed for 2008. I thought I'd ask now as testing will start soon, and I'd like to know what's up for 2008.

[propnuts]

New rules

This one's a sure thing, the minimum depth for all Yamato 302's will be changed to 1". Better start testing NOW.

[bh/]

2008

I see the 2008 MOD rules are posted on the APBA site.
Under Cmod , they now allow aftermarket/external coils to be used on a
Y102 in place of the OEM ones. This is good, as it frees up whats left of the OEM coils for the stock guys, makes it cheaper to run a Cmod, and encourages the gradual migration of the old 102 from stock to mod.
Nice to see some thing happening without us all getting worked up over it.
Now if they would allow the use of the [stock] 102/302 lower unit in
D-stock, you would see DSH double in three years.

[drbyrne55]

I assume the proposed class/engine changes from last year will be voided or indefinitely postponed regarding SO class A,B, 20SSH.

This one's a sure thing, the minimum depth for all Yamato 302's will be changed to 1". Better start testing NOW.

[MGallagher]

I got one. The new 20ci. B Runabout class should have a rule stating that all boats that compete in this class should me certain measurement criteria that include a 26" bottom width and large double sided chines. This would enable us(stockers) to race in rougher conditions and have some venues that would be closer to civilization. Also, it would promote our long lost Stock tradition of Marathon Racing.

Personally, I think more strict boat specification rules would help in the long term.

Also, I think the issue of chopping, bearing away, and forcing the overlap should be addressed and updated at the meeting. It seems to be easier to call someone for chopping than forcing the overlap or bearing away. I think their should be a section in the rule book that is dedicated to these three rule infractions and maybe even a graph or series of pictures or examples to further inform racers on what the rules actually mean and how they are supposed to be used.

[Matt Dagostino]

Matt................

Also, I think the issue of chopping, bearing away, and forcing the overlap should be addressed and updated at the meeting. It seems to be easier to call someone for chopping than forcing the overlap or bearing away. I think their should be a section in the rule book that is dedicated to these three rule infractions and maybe even a graph or series of pictures or examples to further inform racers on what the rules actually mean and how they are supposed to be used.

What's the point?? Very few of our 'turn judges' (and many referees)don't know how to call any of these infractions. Perhaps we should go to the PRO rule of eyeball to eyeball and we wouldn't have to worry about any the above issues you bring up. Under the eyeball to eyeball rule you better 'be there' or expect to get sawed in half!

Just a thought. Happy New year!

Matt D.

[MGallagher]

That is exactly why I think these rules should be refreshed, because of what you say,"...many...don't know how to call...these infractions." These rules are not used enough and maybe with a little National recognition at the meeting they can be addressed and updated, and then when the time comes to call such an infraction the "turn judge"(who should be asked about these rules before they go out) will know how to do so.

Happy New Year to you too Matt, and I will see at your award ceremony.

[dholt]

It's not that people don't know the rules.

They just have a hard time DQ-ing their peers when it needs to be done.

AND....

People bring their own driving styles (own set of standards) into the turn judge boat with them.

[racer121M]

What is the rationale behind the hight change for the 302?

[Gootz 142M]

Say What?

It's not that people don't know the rules.

They just have a hard time DQ-ing their peers when it needs to be done.

AND....

People bring their own driving styles (own set of standards) into the turn judge boat with them.

I agree with you Dana but, I have made these types of calls as a turn judge without issue and most drivers know when they have made these infractions, everyone of us has that responsibility as a turn judge and has to make the call. We just have to Git R Done!

[pops67g]

Turn boat duty needs to be taken seriously.

I personally have seen quite a few instances where guys in the turn boats are just sitting there BSing and don't even turn to watch the boats go through the turn. To be worth anything a turn judge has to watch the race! Many of the calls that have to be made are so obvious that it's not that hard to do the right thing. One of the biggest problems, as I see it, is the case where the driver refuses to own up to his mistake and goes nuts about it.

[Gootz 142M]

Going Nuts

I personally have seen quite a few instances where guys in the turn boats are just sitting there BSing and don't even turn to watch the boats go through the turn. To be worth anything a turn judge has to watch the race! Many of the calls that have to be made are so obvious that it's not that hard to do the right thing. One of the biggest problems, as I see it, is the case where the driver refuses to own up to his mistake and goes nuts about it.

Yes....All for a 3 x 5 wooden plaque.....

[seanp3]

What is the rationale behind the hight change for the 302?

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm due to all the hoopla from last years debate and outcome. I don't think there will be any height restriction changes for 2008

[propnuts]

Busted!

I was just trying to throw off the competition. I was REALLY hoping the Byrne brothers would go ahead and spend a couple months testing their 1" setup. Probably wouldn't have slowed them down any, but it was worth a shot Tony

[mrlou40]

already been there, done that.....no difference.....