Are you kidding me?

[bill van steenwyk]

I seriously doubt that the Board of Directors does know the scope, costs, performance measurements of the project. If any one of them did know wouldn't you think that by now the general membership would know and would not have to keep asking?

Neil:

I may be completely ignorant of how something like this, with the rumored expenditure ,could be approved without BOD approval or knowledge, but stranger things could happen I guess. Who would approve such a project, if not the BOD, and if they had nothing to do with it, and with the heat generated to this point, why would not at least one of them come forward with that answer so as to escape the responsibility? If I were in their place, I could not behave in that manner, knowing many folks had confidence in me to do the right thing. It is true though that APBA's officers are usually only elected by about 20-30 per cent of the eligible voters.

If no BOD approval is required, then how would it be approved, especially with the amount of money involved that has been spent already, according to approximations made from Profit and Loss statements and other reply's posted on the APBA Social site under Profit and Loss by Mark Wheeler. And then there are the comments by Richard Hearn, just posted on the social site, if anything viable can be gained from those.

Sometimes arrogance is contagious and spreads, although you would hope that not all BOD members would have that attitude. The questions have been asked for over a year, and you would think someone would be forthcoming by now.

[Racerkyle20]

Kyle ... You are smarter than that ... You, more than most, should know that number of entries is not the measure that should be sought ... Number of individuals racing is the real benchmark! One driver running the same boat and motor in multiple classes on a given race day should not be the objective ... That's not how you achieve growth!

Thanks Neil, I am smarter than that. When I look down the beach at Lake lawrence and all I see are boats, I feel our numbers were justified. Maybe if you came to a race again you could see that.

155 entires at lawrence were not skewed by mulitple boats/entries. Not everyone runs 20ssh/osy/and csh. I'm 200 lbs, do you think i can run 20ssh? OSY? NO. And I don't. Did I put another driver in my boat for 20ssh? yes, different drivers, different days.

Yes we need more individuals racing, but I firmly believe same boat and same motor in different classes acheives growth. That's how you sell racing, WATER TIME! No one wants to spend $5K and race four times in a weekend at $100 entry fee. Now what if you can bump that to $150 and 8 heats or 12 heats (with eliminations)? You're giving more people more time on the water to improve their driving skills. How do you think I became a successful driver? I'm not being cocky here, just making a statement....I was on the water all the time as a kid. Running ASH, FAH, ASR, FAR, KPRO, And then CSH, OSY, etc..... Sometimes racing 5+ classes a day.

NEW DRIVERS NEED WATER TIME TO IMPROVE SKILL AND CONTINUE RACING. That's how you sell the sport, especially when someone could spend the same $5k in go karting and race for $100 and have 6+ hours of track time a day.

[Big Don]

I just checked the records and in the 70's APBA was strong and growing, based on current success I would love to be stuck in the 70's and successfull VS stuck with large bills for unknown projects showing 0 ROI (return on investment). Please bring back the 70"s and the people that had true success, rather than current squandering expert minds that have created the swirl of activity above the drain!

Really? You had to check the records to find that out?

So we should go back to black & white TV’s also? How about going back to brick cell phones or bag phones, they only cost $3500.00 back then. Maybe we could go back to 8 tracks also.

No one is arguing we didn’t have more racers in the 70’s…we are stating that our process, systems, technology were not up to date. Hey here is an idea, you and the 36 people that like your BS start a different thread, so we all know not to go to it.

[blueskyracer]

Really? You had to check the records to find that out?

So we should go back to black & white TV’s also? How about going back to brick cell phones or bag phones, they only cost $3500.00 back then. Maybe we could go back to 8 tracks also.

No one is arguing we didn’t have more racers in the 70’s…we are stating that our process, systems, technology were not up to date. Hey here is an idea, you and the 36 people that like your BS start a different thread, so we all know not to go to it.

Don I think Howard started this thread!!!!!!!!!!!

[G Stillwill]

I think I still have some 8 tracks and maybe a rotary dial phone laying around. just sayin

[AZ Outlaw]

I think I still have some 8 tracks and maybe a rotary dial phone laying around. just sayin

HOW MUCH $ FOR THE PHONE?

[csh2z]

I too thought any BOD member would have access to the answers but as I said, I hadn't asked. I do remember being at the meeting when the project was being presented, including the scope and cost, but I don't recall the details. I also remember the response from the membership in attendance was enthusiastically overwhelming in support of the proposal. The answers we are looking for are in the minutes to that meeting.

[Big Don]

Don I think Howard started this thread!!!!!!!!!!!

You're right he did.

[Dave M]

Easy

Mark Wheelers reponse is the epitome of arrogance and should not be tolerated by the membership.

That is a personal attack. Uncalled for. If you don't like it, vote for someone else. I don't vote, as I have not been a member of APBA for two years, and have no plans to be in the near future.

One thing you should all know. APBA will NEVER die. There is to many money people in the APBA for it to die. It could shrink considerably in the near future if things don't change. But it will never fall flat on it's face. What it could become is a small group of people whom keep it going with their own personal wealth. And to race in that clique would mean you would need to be in that certain clique. Maybe that is the ultimate goal ? I don't know, and I don't think anyone knows this. Let the chips fall where they may. But remember, only the strong survive...

[thepiranhabros]

Cuckoo... cuckoo...

You're right he did.

And if you all recall, the first post in this thread has to do with a guy who is pissed off that the paper copies of Propeller will no longer come monthly to APBA members, and this same guy is also pissed off that he receives multiple copies of said paper magazine. For multiple paid APBA memberships.

DUH!

[bill van steenwyk]

I too thought any BOD member would have access to the answers but as I said, I hadn't asked. I do remember being at the meeting when the project was being presented, including the scope and cost, but I don't recall the details. I also remember the response from the membership in attendance was enthusiastically overwhelming in support of the proposal. The answers we are looking for are in the minutes to that meeting.

John:

A this point in time (18 months down the road) do you think there would be any better luck securing or publishing the minutes of the meeting than has been had with the non-response of the BOD members to the subject?

And based on your long term membership in the organization, have you ever seen the type stonewalling that has taken place to this point on an matter like this by everyone involved?

Not trying to be snide or put you in a box. Just curious and would be interested in your opinion as a long time and seemingly respected member of APBA, as to why there has been so much secrecy to this point, and whether you are familiar with any other occurrences.

[hshawwpba]

Really? You had to check the records to find that out?

So we should go back to black & white TV’s also? How about going back to brick cell phones or bag phones, they only cost $3500.00 back then. Maybe we could go back to 8 tracks also.

No one is arguing we didn’t have more racers in the 70’s…we are stating that our process, systems, technology were not up to date. Hey here is an idea, you and the 36 people that like your BS start a different thread, so we all know not to go to it.

Aw yes life was better in the 70"s you actually communicated by picking up a phione and talking one on one to others. Not hiding behind on line charactor names such as BIG DON or H 14.
Plus the phone call was much less expensive than this fantastic advancement of technology that at the end of the day will allow for more siber geeks to spew BS and be excited about all the new mega this and that great new technology provided to the web users of the current times. And at the end of the day we may even fianlly find out what it really did cost for all this NEW TECHNOLGY and great SOCIAL MEDIA love fest only to find that it created no ROI and if we are lucky enough someone will take a digital picture of the doors being locked for the last time at the APBA office! I hear the song playing on my 8 track player---- " those were the good old day's"

Enjoy the ride!

[hshawwpba]

Really? You had to check the records to find that out?

So we should go back to black & white TV’s also? How about going back to brick cell phones or bag phones, they only cost $3500.00 back then. Maybe we could go back to 8 tracks also.

No one is arguing we didn’t have more racers in the 70’s…we are stating that our process, systems, technology were not up to date. Hey here is an idea, you and the 36 people that like your BS start a different thread, so we all know not to go to it.

Really, aren't you and many other still racing 1970 engines with minor modifications??
I just was looking at my bata movies of races from the 70's what a great time and memories of the good old days!

[hshawwpba]

And if you all recall, the first post in this thread has to do with a guy who is pissed off that the paper copies of Propeller will no longer come monthly to APBA members, and this same guy is also pissed off that he receives multiple copies of said paper magazine. For multiple paid APBA memberships.

DUH!

Actually I was not unhappy about not receiving the magazine I simply shared the disatisfaction from a long time memeber of APBA that sent his letter about his frustrations on the subject. But then just like h14 facts are not important to you when you post here.
I still support 1 magazione to 1 address!! This is a cost saving idea! One of the few offered from the many post here.

[thepiranhabros]

Facts aren't important to me? HA! That's a good one!

Actually I was not unhappy about not receiving the magazine I simply shared the disatisfaction from a long time memeber of APBA that sent his letter about his frustrations on the subject. But then just like h14 facts are not important to you when you post here.
I still support 1 magazione to 1 address!! This is a cost saving idea! One of the few offered from the many post here.

Howard:

I am a journalist. I live for facts.

To wit, I quote from your post entitled, "APBA members it is time to get answers!!"

"As a long time member, boat owner, driver, volunteer, and official I not only support Mr. Giles inquiry (about the propeller magazine) and comments but ask you to review items that concern not only me but many APBA members that I have spoken with over the past year."

Mr. Giles said, "What has happened to my boat racing Propeller? Where is Tana Moore? I am most disappointed in the last issue of the APBA Propeller. Since APBA has gone to electronics, I have not been able to "see" it on the computer. IT is impossible to open. I have much greater success using HydroRacer to stay informed. Tell me again, what am I getting for a $200 membership?"

It appears the first fact is that Mr. Giles is upset about not receiving his printed Propeller magazine. The second fact is that you "...support Mr. Giles inquiry (about the propeller magazine) and comments..." Ergo, one can only surmise that you too are upset about not receiving the printed copy of Propeller. Then there is also the fact that you complain when you receive multiple copies!

But facts aren't important to me. Right!

You can read in another post the actual cost of printing and distributing the printed Propeller magazine. But just for fun, even if it cost $10 each to produce and deliver to your door, you would provide a whopping savings of $30 to APBA quarterly; $120 annually. Wow. You just might "save" the organization with this cutting-edge idea after all!