APBA members it is time to get answers!!

[14-H]

***Oh by the way APBA HAD 1 MIILION IN ASSEST before the new group took control, and is now in fiancal distress under leadership of the group that wanted the current concept of management.
As the saying goes " HOW IS THE CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU " ??

Howard: You have now made the accusation no less than 3 times that, under Jones, APBA had $1M in assets and that is now gone, AFTER THE APBA FINANCIALS WERE POSTED ON THIS SITE! Those financials show that the APBA has just shy of $1M in assets.

Thus, again, you are either totally ignorant of what you are talking about, or you are intentionally trying to deceive people. Which is it? !!!

[14-H]

Stay tuned I will post the entire plan for everyone to read so the current non informed posters on the plan won't need to keep giving you their non factual views.

***" ??

Yeah, Howard! How SeaTac actually worked after it was adopted is a "non-factual view." You crack me up!

[14-H]

I***- the only problem that was made was that the subsequent election on Oct 31 - was not done in accordance with the standing by-laws.

This is correct. This is the illegal election conducted by the Jones Administration that I was referring to.

[mike ross]

Eddie get some happy candy from him!!!

[mdaspit]

This is not the way good men should conduct their business.


"I hate rude behavior in a man, I won't tolerate it".
Capt. Woodrow F. Call-Lonesome Dove

[Jack Stotts]

I surely agree with Mark Daspit's comment. Jack

[bill van steenwyk]

This might surprise folks..................

This is not the way good men should conduct their business.


"I hate rude behavior in a man, I won't tolerate it".
Capt. Woodrow F. Call-Lonesome Dove

But like Jack Stotts, I also agree with Mark.

The biggest problem sometimes though is when, in just this case (never mind others which have some of the same principals involved) so much obstruction of information takes place in an organization in which this battle (Sea-Tac) was fought, the winners of that battle do not seem to be any more open about the operations of the organization than what they accuse the Sea-Tac folks of. (See the Crowne Contract about which information has been asked for, since the awarding of the contract first became public over 1 1/2 years ago) plus the family connection of 14H with the holder of that contract.

Again, I agree with the general thrust of Mark's post, BUT, probably non of this would be taking place if information available to a few, and with held for a long period of time was made public, and which the membership has every right to know about.

That type frustration usually ends up with things the way they are now, but remember the individuals whose refusal to be open about these matters has contributed greatly to the way they are now.

The question is often asked "Which comes first, the chicken or the egg". I don't think there is any doubt about this chickens family line.


ADDED SINCE CHECKING THE APBA SOCIAL PAGE: If you want to view APBA's latest answer to questions being asked about these expenses and the organization's profit/loss statement, go to the APBA site, click on Social Page, and read Mark Wheelers answers to the thread titled PROFIT/LOSS to specific questions directed to him by several members. Short answer is the members that are paying APBA's expenses with THEIR dues, are not entitled to know about expenses paid to vendors. End of statement!

IF THAT IS NOT A MIDDLE FINGER RIGHT IN EVERY DUES PAYING MEMBERS FACE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

[14-H]

This is not the way good men should conduct their business.


"I hate rude behavior in a man, I won't tolerate it".
Capt. Woodrow F. Call-Lonesome Dove

Mark: I totally agree with you. But, as another Mark (Twain) once said: "A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on."

Im just trying to ensure the boots are ready and I call a spade a spade. APBA hasn't hidden anything from anyone and these guys know it. They have another agenda.

[bill van steenwyk]

Mark: I totally agree with you. But, as another Mark (Twain) once said: "A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on."

Im just trying to ensure the boots are ready and I call a spade a spade. APBA hasn't hidden anything from anyone and these guys know it. They have another agenda.

EDDIE: Regards "these guys" and their "other agenda":

If nothing is being hidden,why the answer to question about the Crowne Contract by President Mark Wheeler on the APBA Social Page under APBA Profit/Loss stating that APBA policy is that "no information will be given out about vendor costs?"



Also I see in the "platform" by R Steven Hearn in his run for the BOD on that same Social page, that one of the things he is promoting is "transparency and forthrighness between the operations of APBA and its members". Guess he and Wheeler need to get on the same page, and also have a family conference with you and Richard?

[flatsmoke]

Please help me 14-H. If a dues paying member of APBA requests a copy of the Crown contract with APBA, will APBA satisfy the request?
Thank you.

[Team 12R]

"write-in" howard

if it takes a guy like howard to get this many people fired up and this much communication flowing he must have something that we need.

160 some posts and little of what howard requested has been answered. flatsmoke just said it best. why won't the details of the crowne contract be made public so we can all see what was promised and what was delivered and at what cost? maybe they have done just what we paid them to do? if that is the case then we need to keelhaul those who approved it.

food for thought... having a non-invested person in charge (similar to the helton relationship with nascar) might be just what we need. too many self-serving decisions are made in our sport. having someone who isn't a racer or doesn't own a certain brand of motor or race in a certain region might be the only way to run this circus.

lastly.. big don.. your dad's reputation speaks for itself. he was one of the great men of our sport. just plain chicken shi* for someone to email you like that.

[Big Don]

Bill and others,
The person emailing me is not really a big deal. They are probably pretty insignificant in their own life and it won’t impact mine other than I will defend our family.

The sad thing is if Howard had not made his accusation most of this thread goes away. So while we (and I do too) ask others to share information I’m asking Howard again…name the names.

I also wanted to point out and I hope someone corrects me if I’m wrong…but I don’t believe our BOD members get any of their expenses reimbursed any longer. I think they voted that out themselves a year or two ago.

Off to Oshkosh…the best 1/3 mile race course in the country.

[hshawwpba]

Howard: You have now made the accusation no less than 3 times that, under Jones, APBA had $1M in assets and that is now gone, AFTER THE APBA FINANCIALS WERE POSTED ON THIS SITE! Those financials show that the APBA has just shy of $1M in assets.

Thus, again, you are either totally ignorant of what you are talking about, or you are intentionally trying to deceive people. Which is it? !!!

As a lawyer you should know not to trust everything the defendant gives you as fact !

Anyone can put figures on paper and make it look good, as My father always said:
FIGURES CAN LIE AND LIER'S CAN FIGURE!!! I think we have the latter running the show at APBA!

[hshawwpba]

This thread has been very interesting to read. And I have learned a lot more about the situation that occured just as I was starting into this great sport. But I still have one big gray/blank area that I would like someone to fill in. That area of knowledge is what did the SEA-TAC agreement consist of? Obveously after the judgement we became/remain a member driven organization. What was the the SEA-TAC going to make us?
If you don't want to post an answer hear please PM or email me. I realy would like this info.

Here is the SEA TAC plan for everyone to read and understand what really was the plan and the reason it was not put in place> Note the names that were involved in the blocking (law suite filed to stop it) and their current relationship to the managing group still pulling the strings at APBA. I am still convinced this plan would have changed the APBA for the better asit would have removed the SPECIAL INTREST MANAGEMENT PROCESS AND RUN THE APBA AS A REAL BUSINESS!!
See attached and enjoy reading the factual response VS the other who think they know or tell you what they want you to believe!!

[Waterson Racing Team]

That jumbled mess looks like it would have hung our division of racing out to dry. Thank God it was contested.