APBA members it is time to get answers!!

[14-H]

EDDIE:

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

Why should I or anyone else ask and elected representative for anything regards APBA. You and your fellow obstructionists have just spent the last 1 1/2 years stonewalling about the CROWNE deal that the money that went to pay for that contract was MEMBERS money and they can't get zippity crap out of you, your brother, or anyone else that has asked lots of times these very questions over the time period stated and in many different forums.

How do you expect Howard Shaw or anyone else to know what the problems are that need to be focused on. No one can get diddly squat out of anyone in a position of authority. The BOD membership has been asked many times on this forum and others to open up about the CROWNE contract. Anybody answered yet? I haven't seen it, and I don't know anybody that has.

May I remind you that one of the purposes of this money was so APBA could communicate better with its members. Anyone seen anything on that on the APBA web site? They can't even find out how much the contract is for, much less anything else pertinent about it, and that is on the forum that the money is supposed to be spent for.

This is really the height of irony that money being spent to build and operate a web site that the primary reason for is communication, and the members can't get answers about that money or the reasons for the expenditures on that site or any other. That site, in case you have forgotten one of the main reasons for its construction was to KEEP MEMBERSHIP INFORMED.

Perhaps if you can't give better advice than what you just had for me, you would be better off giving advice for other problems, like DUI's?

Umm, Bill: Apparently the APBA Executive Director called Mr. Shaw to answer his questions and Shaw refused to speak to him and rudely hung up the phone.

If ignorance is bliss, this is the Garden of Eden!

[14-H]

Your scorn for all those who came before you and helped to build APBA to what it was when you started trying to make it your own private sandbox is really obvious.

Keep it up Eddie, there are more out there who want a good look.

Bill: unlike you, I don't hold a grudge. I stay mad for about 5 minutes.

Have a look and stop b*!@#ing about it. I told you how to do it!

[bill van steenwyk]

Bill: unlike you, I don't hold a grudge. I stay mad for about 5 minutes.

Have a look and stop b*!@#ing about it. I told you how to do it!

First of all Eddie, I don't have a grudge about you. I just don't like you, or anyone else that carries the amount of arrogance around with them as you do. Maybe that just goes with the occupation though!

Secondly, you have never told me anything about how to look for anything. Any communications you have had with me have been on this site and open to all interested parties.

Finally, why don't you advise the BOD it is in their best interest to be up front with the membership about contracts supposedly for their benefit, in their behalf, and that they are paying for. That would seem to be good advice for you to give at this point, unless there is something APBA does not want the membership to see?

[mercguy]

Umm, Bill: Apparently the APBA Executive Director called Mr. Shaw to answer his questions and Shaw refused to speak to him and rudely hung up the phone.

If ignorance is bliss, this is the Garden of Eden!

now, isn't this ironic???? The XO is a joke!!!! He could not even give us actually facts and figures when asked of him at Grass Lake during an inpromtu "town hall" meeting...........and they didnt even want to listen to the massive complaints about the Propeller!

get real Ed......the current administration is running APBA into the ground!!!

communication is a REAL JOKE.................maybe the Pres should write a monthly newsletter and send it out to ALL APBA members informing us on what is going on on a monthly basis...............

[bill boyes]

ED, Lets face the facts,The Propeller Magazine is just awful. i am sure the membership will be lock and loaded at DFW Annual meeting.
Some on this thread said ask a BOD member and they get no answer. know why? Because they do not know.
Why is this discussion not on the APBA web site?
The new Insurance rates are killing the clubs in my Region. We need relief. We have a number of Sport C's and must pay the OPC rate which is $722 more than the Mod/So/Pro rate. For a boat that speed wise is about level with an ASH. Clubs are mumbling about going NBRA to survive.

[bill van steenwyk]

Umm, Bill: Apparently the APBA Executive Director called Mr. Shaw to answer his questions and Shaw refused to speak to him and rudely hung up the phone.

If ignorance is bliss, this is the Garden of Eden!

Eddie:


Perhaps Mr. Shaw heard some information that caused him to lose confidence in the Ex. Directors capabilities or longevity?

[bill van steenwyk]

Umm, Bill: Apparently the APBA Executive Director called Mr. Shaw to answer his questions and Shaw refused to speak to him and rudely hung up the phone.

If ignorance is bliss, this is the Garden of Eden!

Eddie:

Someone with the amount of intelligence you are supposed to have certainly has a hard time "getting it". I don't think I would be throwing the term "ignorance" around quite so loosely. Sometimes things come back to bite you!!


If the Ex. Director can take the time and expense to explain to Mr. Shaw, ON THE PHONE, what he wants to know, he can certainly post copies of the Crowne contract and answer other questions regards the running/operations of APBA that are asked by the members.

I think it was Clinton that used the slogan "its the economy, stupid".

WELL, IT IS THE CROWNE CONTRACT, ITS COST, AND THE WEB SITE IT IS SUPPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THAT WAS PROMISED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TO KEEP MEMBERSHIP IN CONTACT WITH APBA AND VISE/VERSA.

Just, "POST IT STUPID".

I seem to remember seeing the Ex. Directors name as "Webmaster" or some such. Why can't this info be posted since communication is the reason for the site, among others.

[hshawwpba]

Howard: No I don't. As you also know from your attendance at these meetings, I nearly always ask questions about the budget.

If you are concerned about seeing these things, why don't you make a request to view the records yourself and go to APBA and inspect all of the records? As an APBA member, you have a right to do that (and I assume that you know this since you are apparently a write-in candidate for the BOD).

Since you obviously haven't done this, are you just making this stuff up?

(BTW: I am not in anyway defending the APBA BOD- just pointing out that Howard doesn't know what he's talking about).

INERESTING, I have done research and I feel really good that I do know what I am talking about and I have seen the fiancial reports sent out and there is data missing for some major expenses. But then as someone said earller lawyers don't really care about facts!
When I win my write in for BOD then believe me everyone will have access to the facts it will the current leaders worst day!!!!!!

[14-H]

ED, Lets face the facts,The Propeller Magazine is just awful. i am sure the membership will be lock and loaded at DFW Annual meeting.
Some on this thread said ask a BOD member and they get no answer. know why? Because they do not know.
Why is this discussion not on the APBA web site?
The new Insurance rates are killing the clubs in my Region. We need relief. We have a number of Sport C's and must pay the OPC rate which is $722 more than the Mod/So/Pro rate. For a boat that speed wise is about level with an ASH. Clubs are mumbling about going NBRA to survive.

Bill: I agree with you about the Propeller. But you know what? I don't care. If I were in charge, I would eliminate it. I don't read it but occassionally & I don't like it. But to bring back the old format just to appease the geritol boat racers would be a huge waste of money and would be catering to the wrong crowd.

I agree the insurance rates are too expensive. So, if Mr. Shaw is going to run for the Board of Directors, maybe he can stop his ranting and raving and tell us how he would fix that. So far, this thread has done nothing but spread a bunch of innuendo and serve as a public gripe session with Shaw claiming, at first, that he doesn't know what he will do and, now I see, claiming he does know what he would do but he won't say what it is.

[Dr. Thunder]

Eddie: (snip)
"...seem to remember seeing the Ex. Directors name as "Webmaster" or some such. Why can't this info be posted since communication is the reason for the site, among others.

Actually, to be fair, on the APBA website, Home Page under "About Us" the first name listed is Dan Wiener, Executive Director. He may have been "webmaster" in the past.

If APBA is still a not for profit organization then you can simply request that Dan provide a copy of the most recently filed IRS Form 990.

[14-H]

Eddie:


Perhaps Mr. Shaw heard some information that caused him to lose confidence in the Ex. Directors capabilities or longevity?

Perhaps a little birdy told him he needed to hang up the phone because he was going to be indoctrinated if he listened to an explanation. We can speculate all day long about what we don't know about, Bill. I don't find that to be very productive.

[14-H]

Eddie:

Someone with the amount of intelligence you are supposed to have certainly has a hard time "getting it". I don't think I would be throwing the term "ignorance" around quite so loosely. Sometimes things come back to bite you!!


If the Ex. Director can take the time and expense to explain to Mr. Shaw, ON THE PHONE, what he wants to know, he can certainly post copies of the Crowne contract and answer other questions regards the running/operations of APBA that are asked by the members.

I think it was Clinton that used the slogan "its the economy, stupid".

WELL, IT IS THE CROWNE CONTRACT, ITS COST, AND THE WEB SITE IT IS SUPPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THAT WAS PROMISED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TO KEEP MEMBERSHIP IN CONTACT WITH APBA AND VISE/VERSA.

Just, "POST IT STUPID".

I seem to remember seeing the Ex. Directors name as "Webmaster" or some such. Why can't this info be posted since communication is the reason for the site, among others.

Why don't you join APBA, request a copy of it, and post it here yourself? Instead, you just complain.

[14-H]

***
When I win my write in for BOD then ***!!!!!!

And I am the arrogant one!

[hshawwpba]

So Howard what are you actually going to do. I read the above post and am not sure what you’re saying other than your not happy with the direction. And trust me I’m not drinking the kool-aid, there are several things I’m not happy about so what is your actual agenda?

And is the Mike Jones your asking for us to write in, the same Mike Jones that caused the Don Allen, SR. being appointed APBA President by the NY court following the Jones/Jake led Sea-Tac agreement. Just making sure it’s not the same one…or confirming it is the same one.

Let me review the facts:
When Mike Jones left office after his terms in office APBA had 1 miilion in assets, then the great leadership of the present took over and they were going to change the course and give APBA control back to the memebership, but first they made some changes to the election of the President where he would be elected by the BOD not the membership. HUMMM why would that be??? Where is the check and balance in this process??
NEVER MIND all that the bottom line is the great guidance by whom you speak of (god rest his sole) and the current leaders has taken the APBA in their new direction which includes long term contract with "family and friends" Driving schools with no ROI, the APBA now has become "owners of race boats" and after all these great expenditures the resualt is the APBA can not afford to print the Propeller magazine, laid off staff, has decreased sanction applications, decreased memebrship, and reduced the 1 miillion is assets to a new all time low level that has them requesting loans from independant sorces to "keep the boat afloat". NOW IF YOUR STILL CONVINCED THAT THE CURRENT LEADERS ARE GOING TO LEAD US TO THE PROMISE LAND, then keep the rose colored glasses right there on your nose and follow them down the road of diaster it will be a short sail!!!!

[bill van steenwyk]

Actually, to be fair, on the APBA website, Home Page under "About Us" the first name listed is Dan Wiener, Executive Director. He may have been "webmaster" in the past.

If APBA is still a not for profit organization then you can simply request that Dan provide a copy of the most recently filed IRS Form 990.

Dr. Thunder:

I am aware that Wiener is the Ex. Director.

If you go to the APBA Site and go to the "Social Page" listing, you will find he also is the person who is listed under the "WEBSITE UPDATE/ REPAIRS" listing.
Without being argumentative with you, In the absence of someone specifically listed as "Webmaster" I would have to look at him in that manner whether he holds the specific title or not. Sometimes you do the job without the title and I come away with that understanding as I am sure most would do.

Re the requesting of financial information:

I go back to the many requests on this forum and others for this information. I think you even made the comment "why not just publish it" or something similar in a previous post on this thread. The fact remains it (financials and the Crowne contract) is a bone of contention with many of the members and the APBA web site is a forum for communication with its members.

Why not take the next obvious step? Why is this hidden? Nothing good is going to come from further stonewalling.