Supreme Court holds that citizens have the right to bear firearms for self defense

[aojesus]

Again with the tough talk, I thought we just went over this look you guys can act like Rambo all you want here on HR but I will say it again and I wont back down! unless you sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow cocked and ready to fire the tough talk does not impress me sorry.

No tough talk here, just facts.
September 26, 2004 we had an intruder. He had no gun, but a nice knife.
My gun was not accessable and probably a good thing as I have kids and a wife. He would have died. I had to resort to good old fashioned "country boy hick from the sticks" justice. Long story short,.... He waited quietly and patiently for the cops to arrive about 20 minutes later.

We are armed and will do what is needed to protect the family.

If an intruder visits Brent's house my money is on Brent all the way!

[racerchic3z]

My best friend married a police officer earlier this year. His advice: If someone breaks into your home, shoot to kill. Always.

[17W]

Your not going to pull me in sorry, I have never owned a hand gun in my life and I have no desire to ever own one, I live a simple life .... so one more time for the record, all the tough Rambo talk does not impress me.

Rambo was a good movie years ago......he would not make a zit on a "True Operator's" butt!

By no means am I trying to impress you or anyone. Just stating facts!

[Inside Lane]

Not Rambo Talk

Your not going to pull me in sorry, I have never owned a hand gun in my life and I have no desire to ever own one, I live a simple life .... so one more time for the record, all the tough Rambo talk does not impress me.

If you don't own a gun you are not an American. If our for fathers had not owned guns we would be speaking English right now.

[sam]

all you tough guys that live out in the sticks. You guys would not last ten seconds on the streets of some big cities

OK Dan, here's my pitch for today. I live closer to the bad part of Annapolis than you do to DC and this week I've been working on the AC of the East River Bagel Shop on Minnesota Ave NE (right off of Benning Rd), the works of the AC are around back in the alley with all the junkies walking by all day. What do you see from your desk at work?

Does that qualify as walking the walk?

[HRTV]

OK Dan, here's my pitch for today. I live closer to the bad part of Annapolis than you do to DC and this week I've been working on the AC of the East River Bagel Shop on Minnesota Ave NE (right off of Benning Rd), the works of the AC are around back in the alley with all the junkies walking by all day. What do you see from your desk at work?

Does that qualify as walking the walk?

Sam,

I know that part of town and yes that does qualify as walking the walk!

[burl11]

One is Good, More is Better

Several firearms stashed at strategic locations in the home, carry permit, and one in the vehicle.... no dailing 911 and no waiting.

The scarey thing, why was the vote count 5 to 4 and not 9 to zip?

[Inside Lane]

Speaking of someone knocking at your door....

I hate it when people forward bogus warnings but this one is real and it's very important. So please send this warning to everyone on your e-mail list.

If someone comes to your front door saying they are conducting a survey on deer ticks and asks you to take your clothes off and dance around with your arms over your head while they inspect for ticks, DO NOT DO IT! IT IS A SCAM; they only want to see you naked.



I really wish I'd gotten this warning yesterday; I feel so stupid now....

[Inside Lane]

Several firearms stashed at strategic locations in the home, carry permit, and one in the vehicle.... no dailing 911 and no waiting.

The scarey thing, why was the vote count 5 to 4 and not 9 to zip?

Sounds like you are prepaired. I applaud you.

As for the vote, their minds are perverted. They might even be guilty of the samething......

[David_L6]

Several firearms stashed at strategic locations in the home, carry permit, and one in the vehicle.... no dailing 911 and no waiting.

I don't have a carry permit. No need here unless you want to carry concealed. The rest describes my situation exactly though.

The scarey thing, why was the vote count 5 to 4 and not 9 to zip?

I was wondering if anyone else was going to notice that!

[Robert M Keogler]

Fyi

"Ownership of guns won't increase chance of accidental death


Editor:

It never ceases to amaze me that even highly educated people will hear something they wish to believe and assume it must be true without ever checking the facts. Such is the case for the claim that mere ownership of a firearm increases the chance you or a loved one will be killed. Unlike those making this claim, I have thoroughly researched this topic and will cite sources to back up my position.

According to the 1988 "Internation Crime Rates," published by the U.S. Department of Justice, England/Wales and Switzerland have exactly the same homicide rate: 1.1 per 100,000. However, every Swiss male is required by law to keep a fully automatic rifle in their home. This rifle, the Steyr AUG, makes the "assault weapons" banned in the U.S. Crime Law look like popguns. How is it that, despite the presence of these evil guns, Switzerland's homicide rate is the same as gun-banning England's? Three times more people die from mountain-climbing accidents as homicide in Switzerland.

There do exist rare examples of a criminal shooting a citizen with their own firearm. But even this situation doesn't answer the question of whether the criminal would have killed the victim anyway. Does Nicole Brown's death mean less because she was murdered with a knife? If she had tried to use a handgun to defend herself, and been killed with it instead, do we now blame the gun instead of the killer?

It is a favorite tactic of the gun-control crowd to include justifiable shootings and suicides in their "gun death" toll. What about the "gun life" numbers?

In February 1988, criminologist Gary Kleck's analysis of a U.S. Justice Department victimization study was published in the journal "Social Problems." He concluded:

"Victims who used guns for protection were less likely either to be attacked or injured than victims who responded in any other way, including those who did not resist at all," and "When victims use guns to resist crimes, the crimes usually are disrupted and the victims are not injured."

Current estimates show that up to 2.45 million criminal acts are thwarted by firearms every year in the U.S., most without a shot being fired ("Should You Own a Gun," U.S. News and World Report, Aug. 15, 1994, p. 27.) Even conservative estimates place the number at well over a million. In 1990, there were 1,400 accidental firearms deaths. Compare this to 1,900 accidental firearms deaths in 1910, despite the huge increase in both population and gun ownership, and the "you might accidentally shoot yourself or someone else" argument falls to dust (National Safety Council, "Accident Facts, 1992 Edition.")

Don B. Kates Jr., at the St. Louis University School of Law, found that while police were successful in shooting or driving off criminals 68 percent of the time, private citizens did so 83 percent of the time. Moreover, 11 percent of the individuals involved in police shootings were later found to be innocents mistaken for criminals, while only 2 percent of those in civilian shootings were so misidentified. Private citizens in urban areas encounter and kill up to three times as many criminals as law enforcement personnel ("Gun Control and the Subway Class," Wall Street Journal, Jan. 10, 1985.) The reasons are simple: Private citizens who carry firearms are far more likely to know who the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are, since they have generally witnessed the situation from the beginning. Police, called to the scene well after trouble has started, don't have that advantage.

As with most things in life, there are no perfect choices. You can choose to own a gun (1,400 accidental deaths per year), or not to own one (2.45 million more crimes per year). You can let the police "protect" you (11 percent shooting of innocents, when and if the cops show up) or decide to protect yourself (2 percent shooting of innocents). You can cooperate with the demands of criminals (making you more likely to be attacked and injured) or use a firearm for defense (making you less likely to be attacked and injured).

Of one statistic I am absolutely sure. The armed citizen has a 100 percent chance of deciding for themselves whether to use deadly force in self-defense. It eliminates no options, and provides a new choice that may make the difference between life and death for the victim. When the gun banners try to scare you with their gun death statistics, they don't care whether it was the criminal or the victim who died. I firmly believe, though, that most Americans recognize the difference. "


J. Sean Keane
electrical and computer engineering graduate student

[Kev43V]

Your not going to pull me in sorry, I have never owned a hand gun in my life and I have no desire to ever own one, I live a simple life .... so one more time for the record, all the tough Rambo talk does not impress me.

Dan I actually respect your position on that subject. But why try stopping others that are willing to protect themselves and BTW you also?

[Skoontz]

Dan said

I love all the tough vigilante "rambo" talk ..... all you tough guys that live out in the sticks. You guys would not last ten seconds on the streets of some big cities


I would not be so sure about that Dan.......


For the record...While home summers going to college and a few years off and on after college, I drove a garbage truck for a small company off 22nd and Laflin St in Chicago. Born and raised in St. Charles, a small farm community 45 due west of the city, I was not at all surprised with what I saw on my route on a day to day basis, and I will spare the kids who come into this forum from reading exactly what that was..

The second year, my route was CHA housing projects, Abla Homes, Caprini Greene, Washington Park Homes, Henry Horner Homes, Robert Taylor Homes, etc.

The rule used to be anything that is not done by 3, leave the project because about that time, the "Night Train Express" ( a disgustingly cheap high alky content wine) kicked in and you worked at your own risk.

I took a 4" knife in my left thigh from some ghetto animal, and with the knife in my leg, reciprocated by tossing his sorry ass in my hopper then running the blade over his body until the cops arrived. I left the blade in until the paramedics took it out, and still have that scar to this day.

9 months later, some dumb ass made the mistake of shooting at me, missed all 5 shots, then ran out of bullets. Garbage trucks and 2 legged rats are no match, I chased him down, jumped out of the truck, and did what I needed to do, leaving him in a pretty sad state of disrepair until the cops arrived.

I was the only white guy in the projects, and after that the only person no one ever gave any crap to.

The question one must ask themselves is this....

Do you think for a second the guy with the knife, or the gun possessed them legally? And did they care what consequences came from misusing them?

I was all prepared to run the guy I tossed in my hopper up into the body until the cops came and started messing with him, acting like they know how to work the controls just to hear him yell....As he was let out into barrels of 12 cops guns, maggots were falling off his egg beaten hair and restaurant slop dripping from his nose....

That was the first time in my life I ever saw a black guy turn white...

Not bad for a hick town country boy....

Far as country folks being scared in the city??? Ghetto urchins and illegal gun users are cowardly animals when it becomes game time...The only thing taking guns away from law abiding citizens has done in the past is placed those citizens who gave up their guns at risk.

Case in point then checkmate.

Pre WWll Nazi Germany. A gun registration law was passed in 1933, the name escapes me, but KT's mom and grandma would speak it in German. Now, why would anyone suppose a gun registration law would even be needed?

The answer is simple. Because if you knew who had guns, you knew what you had to do to collect them one day...A year passed, and sure enough, a 2,000 person army of brown shirts came to collect the guns in various towns across Germany, the first guns being taken were from the Jews...Why one may ask?

Because knowing full well what the sick bastard had intended to do with the Jews, and realizing he only had 2000 men, if they were unarmed, they could be boxed up in train cars a whole lot easier and without conflict than if they were allowed to shoot....At this point, had firearms still been in the hands of those who were sent to the camps, they alone could have defeated Hitlers goons.....

The most befoozling thing for me this day, and I have had many of my Jewish friends concur, is knowing full well what history has done, why would anyone, particularly a Jewish person be in favor of any type of gun control because history does repeat itself........

Sorry Dan, take away guns and empower those who should never have had them in the first place.....

[Racerkyle20]

Fact is America has more handguns in circulation than actual people. Gun laws will do nothing except revert to black market sales. On the other hand what is the real point of having a semi-automatic assault rifle in your house? Protection? hunting? come on...there should be some guns that should be illigal in this country. This country does have a problem with guns and the way they are disributed, purchased, and in fact carried around.

I'm all for the second amendment, but most crimes in this country are gun crimes...so if you illiminate the guns or some of the guns in circulation shouldn't crime go down? I think there should be a simple medium in gun laws and sales. Some guns you can buy others you can't...it should be that simple, but with groups like the NRA they are not (i'm not saying the NRA is bad, but they push for most all guns being legal).

Oh yeah and hang the child rapists' body on display!

Kyle
20R
PS: am i confusing people yet, i'm voting for Obama on one thread, but i am for the second amendment and Capital punishment on another!

[14-H]

Treason?

Sounds to me like 4 Supreme Court Justices need to be tried for treason!

Actually, only two of them do. Two of them who thought that the gun ban in DC should stand were actually appointed by Republicans. Nixon appointed Justice Stevens who is widely considered the most liberal member of the court. George H.W. Bush appointed Justice Souter who probably runs close behind Stevens. The other two of the four were apppointed by a Democrat (Clinton); so their votes are not suprising.

What is interesting is that 6 of the 9 nine justices were appointed by a Republican President yet there are 4 liberal, 4 conservative and one "swing" (Kennedy) vote(s) on the court.

Will McCain make the same mistakes? We know where Obama stands!