SO Yamato Rule Changes

[Andrew 4CE]

I like that idea Jon and have wished for it for years! Having a kit bottom end would be something that is more or less mass produced for all classes and bring the price way down. This would then let us get it into marina show rooms too, or at least they could order it, for Joe Blow at the local lake to play with... this leads to more exposure and more racers.

[kws]

Ryan I would rather spend money on racing that helps support other racers. rather than give it to someone else.

[raceright]

support

There have been 4 strokes tested. There is a reason that you haven't heard about it in a while. They are heavy and underpowered for our style of racing. We have private manufacturers producing racing motors for us, I would think that it would be best to support them.

Supported Merc in 50's and 60's and look what it got ya, need to take a lession from motorcycles and allow the small engine mfg's to compete against each other just like motor cross, can't be married to one mfg. Should race many Mfg's in every class this is only true level racing field.

Pat

[kws]

RYAN i agree with you on the private builder thing. just dont try to pull the wool over my eyes about 4 strokes. in the 80's they were making 500cc motors that made around 60 hp and i can carry the engine with 1 hand. you have met me I AINT NO BIG GUY. and in 20 years i doubt they regressed. due to the fact that they can win against 2 strokes now and really could not then

[kws]

Supported Merc in 50's and 60's and look what it got ya, need to take a lession from motorcycles and allow the small engine mfg's to compete against each other just like motor cross, can't be married to one mfg. Should race many Mfg's in every class this is only true level racing field.

Pat

i agree but only if the rules are THERE ARE NO RULES and by definition that is not stock racing. to keep or even find parity in 1 class with 2 motors hasnt been accomplished in what 15 years. think of the logistics on trying do it with say 5 makes of motors

[raceright]

i agree but only if the rules are THERE ARE NO RULES and by definition that is not stock racing. to keep or even find parity in 1 class with 2 motors hasnt been accomplished in what 15 years. think of the logistics on trying do it with say 5 makes of motors

Stock to me means ya don't change it after ya buy it like 20,30,55h's(guy's did mess and when caught thrown out) but everyone could go down to the dealer and buy,stock at it's best 4000 members and all other racing would also have growth this is parity.

Pat

[raceright]

Stock to me means ya don't change it after ya buy it like 20,30,55h's(guy's did mess and when caught thrown out) but everyone could go down to the dealer and buy,stock at it's best 4000 members and all other racing would also have growth this is parity.

Pat

Oh yea there are alot more outboard Mfg's today then in the 50's so logic
dictaes there should be more engines to race just need to race them

Pat

[ricochet112]

Oh yea there are alot more outboard Mfg's today then in the 50's so logic
dictaes there should be more engines to race just need to race them

Pat

No, there were more outboard motor manufacturers in the 50's than today.

"Then there’s the outboard motor market. Fifty-five years ago there were over ten outboard motor manufacturers in the US, now there are (thank goodness, still) two."

[kws]

sorry
i was assuming again lol
i took what you said to mean that they would all perform evenly.
instead of you can run any darn 15 you want in A class ect.
Would you then say that all years of are legal? or does it have to be a motor that is in production now? if so how long is now? ie if a motor goes out of production , how long can you run it after production is stopped?

[raceright]

sorry
i was assuming again lol
i took what you said to mean that they would all perform evenly.
instead of you can run any darn 15 you want in A class ect.
Would you then say that all years of are legal? or does it have to be a motor that is in production now? if so how long is now? ie if a motor goes out of production , how long can you run it after production is stopped?

Follow same rules that mx this formular works for them. They have plenty of
equiptment sold everywhere.
As for oldtime Mfg's I can only think of Merc,Evinrude, Johnson,All Major Corporations Scott Atwater, SeaKing(evinrude made) Neptune (muncy Gear) Champion, Martin (think martin was only one to try racing) all Tiny Coropations with little Capital to Survive.

Now the tide has changed Merc is the small Corp Bombadier is a hugh corp.
Now here is HONDA,SUZUKI,NISSAN YAMAHA,ALL MEGA CORP'S
Your runing Japanese now whats the dif which ones


Small Note; Daughter said Dad want to buy new car ok Isaid let go to Chevy
eww she said no no no I want a Nissan(brothers had Hondas kawasakis,suzukis) she wanted a foregin car, that hurt this Vietnam vet but what can ya do USA is a consumer nation now myself included

Pat

[nbass]

Nissan is made by Tohatsu

Now the tide has changed Merc is the small Corp Bombadier is a hugh corp.
Now here is HONDA,SUZUKI,NISSAN YAMAHA,ALL MEGA CORP'S
Your runing Japanese now whats the dif which ones

For clarity I would like to add that Nissan is a brand name under Tohatsu and is identical to the Tohatsu, just a different name, just like Mariner is a brand under Mercury and made by Mercury.
Neil

[T Chance]

As for oldtime Mfg's I can only think of Merc,Evinrude, Johnson,All Major Corporations Scott Atwater, SeaKing(evinrude made) Neptune (muncy Gear) Champion, Martin (think martin was only one to try racing) all Tiny Coropations with little Capital to Survive.

Champion built the Hot Rod and Scott built a B (the Green Hornet) and an F. I can also think of Lawson, Clinton, West Bend and of course Chris Craft, which also built a B, that went from Chris Craft to Oliver to Perkins and into oblivion.

There was also the Bundy, from Italy I think, and both Konig and Anzani exported a few stock engines to this country besides their racing models.

[BittuS]

I have to say, I've been thinking of getting back into racing again. The idea of having a new off-the-shelf competitive motor was very appealing since the equipment I used to run is not really available these days.

However, with the drama I am reading there doesn't really seem to be a clearcut picture as to where the sport will be in 2, 5, 10 years. Class designations, motors, phasing in and out of equipment need to be addressed.

Stock Outboard in my opinion should not be a haven for motor hoarders that never want to let go because they finally got the "good stuff". This is something that should be in the Mod category where you can mix and match equipment that is still good, but can't be readily made available. Competitive racing should be a work-in-progress for both old and new members.

[mike ross]

Bittu this is Mike Ross. We actually have a plan for the future. It address' everything you asked. E Mail csh2z@hotmail.com and he can forward this info to you. John Runne presented it at this years annual meeting and it is approved so we will have a look at what the future of stock outboard will look like say 5 years from now. We are definitly waiting for the sidewinder (old hot rod ) to show up this year and run as good as they expect it to. We sure would live you and your dad back in the sport. You guys are missed and we love the passionate type people in our program. Say hi to your folks and hope you are doing well. Call me anytime and we can chat. 1-248-568-4622 See Ya Mike

[22W]

Holy crap! An old thread resurrected and one of the long gone guys comes to comment! Bittu, how have you been? I promise that it isn't as bad as this forum makes it sound. We are for the most part all still here and having a lot of fun. I am about to start my 19th year of racing and have no qualms about doing it. Sure, there is a bit of uncertainty about the future, but what the heck! There was a lot of uncertainty when you got out. It has been that way since I started, and I don't expect it to suddenly right itself at this point. If we wanted to have things stay the same we would all race Indy, no CART, no IRL, no NASCAR, well, you get the idea. It's racing and you can't beat this for family. That is the ONE constant in outboard racing. Come back and see us!