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    Please post your opinions on the APBA new Social Forum--whether you agree with the following letter or not. In the meantime, I am sending this message as not everyone is aware of a proposal from Crown Partners to change the APBA logo.

    Crown is advocating that APBA should be unique. APBA already has unique letters---the proposed APBA is basically a standard font with bevels. Why would we want something basic when letters are already unique?

    But, more importantly---do we NEED a change in the APBA logo? Do we even WANT a change? The recent presentation to change the APBA logo is something that is obviously being considered, but before it is accepted, I question why we are even considering it.

    Does APBA really need a new look? Crown developed a chrome look stating it projects strength, power--I question if chrome necessarily projects racing? OK----so if chrome-look is desired, chrome could just as easily be applied to the existing APBA logo letters.

    Also, if you like chrome, keep in mind that a chrome look might look nice on a computer screen, but it is not necessarily what looks eye-catching on a raceboat decal, car emblem, embroidery, screenprinting. Is this chrome look dynamic and colorful to attract the eye?

    The proposed APBA is not projecting anything that the existing logo doesn't project, other than chrome. Neither the existing APBA or proposed APBA projects "racing". If there is going to be change, let's project what we are trying to convey----that APBA is about "racing". We do not even have the word Racing in our organization name---perhaps THAT would be a better place to start. A big complaint that our own membership has is that we do not project "racing". Outside of APBA, we get everything from American Pit Bull Association to American Pro Bowlers Association to many more you can come up with.

    Furthermore and important, keep in mind, one of the consequences to making such a change is cost. Cost alone, should give everyone in APBA concern---here we are a struggling organization to attract new members, race teams and race sites, and now we are considering adding thousands of dollars to change many things over; I question is even necessary. Everybody should remember that the cost of replacing thousands of decals, envelopes, stationery, awards, banners etc. is expense this organization does not need.

    Even more important----Consider just a few of the consequences of making a change.
    Our own APBA office has investment in stationery, envelopes, banners, etc. Various categories have invested in items that would be obsolete if a change is made---example, PRO Category recently invested thousands of dollars in high-point award jackets and custom 1st, 2nd, 3rd place emblems.
    Hall of Champions has investment in all of their logo items---jackets, decals, emblems.
    Honor Squadron has investment in setup and inventory of medallions.
    The APBA championship ring program has expensive dies made for the exisiting logo.
    The APBA merchandise program has investment in many items---inventory and all the setups/dies for decals, emblems, , toys.
    There are many more things that could be listed. I have been advise that the change will be gradual and will take years, BUT, why bother?

    Was there any membership input prior to developing this idea of new letters?

    APBA wants recognition that it is about powerboat racing. APBA wants credibility in the world of motorsports. Is changing the APBA logo letters going to achieve that---I do not think so.

    If our APBA Board of Directors adopts this logo change, I question if anyone is really giving serious thought to not only the consequences, but also what the membership would want IF a change occurs. I adamantly believe that our membership would prefer that our logo projects "racing". Changing APBA letters is not achieving that.

    Let's put our APBA dollars into something that will project "racing" to the public; Let's put APBA dollars into advertising and promotion of our sport. APBA be better to spend its dollars on generating news releases to the media, buying banners on other websites, just as examples.

    Hiring Dan Wiener to do marketing and promotion is a step in the right direction, but I seriously doubt that promoting and marketing APBA will be hampered by our existing APBA logo letters.

    I have been a member of APBA since 1970 and it is frustrating that our APBA is in the state that it is in with declining membership (except for Vintage), a decline in race sites. I firmly believe it is due to the lack of marketing and promotion---that is where we need to spend APBA's dollars and fortuntely, that is where APBA is going with hiring Dan Wiener. I do not believe, however, that the existing APBA logo will hamper Dan Wiener's attempts to market and promote APBA.

    So, bottom line---do we really need this considering all of the above??

    Ann Fitzgerald

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    Does a member of the Hearn family own a printing company too?

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    • #3
      maybe apba should get there web site running first before embarking on changing there logo and ,,ime sure that it will cost us alll more money,,,

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      • #4
        Decals are part of what I do for a living.

        I well provide the APBA decals AT MY COST! I don't know how you can beat that.

        All I need are the proposed specs, qty and an ai file and we are off to the races.

        Something I have never figured out is why APBA doesn't have some type of what do its' members do for a living. I would welcome business from people in my hobby.

        Tim
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        • #5
          Originally posted by annfitz View Post
          Please post your opinions on the APBA new Social Forum--whether you agree with the following letter or not. In the meantime, I am sending this message as not everyone is aware of a proposal from Crown Partners to change the APBA logo.

          Crown is advocating that APBA should be unique. APBA already has unique letters---the proposed APBA is basically a standard font with bevels. Why would we want something basic when letters are already unique?

          But, more importantly---do we NEED a change in the APBA logo? Do we even WANT a change? The recent presentation to change the APBA logo is something that is obviously being considered, but before it is accepted, I question why we are even considering it.

          Does APBA really need a new look? Crown developed a chrome look stating it projects strength, power--I question if chrome necessarily projects racing? OK----so if chrome-look is desired, chrome could just as easily be applied to the existing APBA logo letters.

          Also, if you like chrome, keep in mind that a chrome look might look nice on a computer screen, but it is not necessarily what looks eye-catching on a raceboat decal, car emblem, embroidery, screenprinting. Is this chrome look dynamic and colorful to attract the eye?

          The proposed APBA is not projecting anything that the existing logo doesn't project, other than chrome. Neither the existing APBA or proposed APBA projects "racing". If there is going to be change, let's project what we are trying to convey----that APBA is about "racing". We do not even have the word Racing in our organization name---perhaps THAT would be a better place to start. A big complaint that our own membership has is that we do not project "racing". Outside of APBA, we get everything from American Pit Bull Association to American Pro Bowlers Association to many more you can come up with.

          Furthermore and important, keep in mind, one of the consequences to making such a change is cost. Cost alone, should give everyone in APBA concern---here we are a struggling organization to attract new members, race teams and race sites, and now we are considering adding thousands of dollars to change many things over; I question is even necessary. Everybody should remember that the cost of replacing thousands of decals, envelopes, stationery, awards, banners etc. is expense this organization does not need.

          Even more important----Consider just a few of the consequences of making a change.
          Our own APBA office has investment in stationery, envelopes, banners, etc. Various categories have invested in items that would be obsolete if a change is made---example, PRO Category recently invested thousands of dollars in high-point award jackets and custom 1st, 2nd, 3rd place emblems.
          Hall of Champions has investment in all of their logo items---jackets, decals, emblems.
          Honor Squadron has investment in setup and inventory of medallions.
          The APBA championship ring program has expensive dies made for the exisiting logo.
          The APBA merchandise program has investment in many items---inventory and all the setups/dies for decals, emblems, , toys.
          There are many more things that could be listed. I have been advise that the change will be gradual and will take years, BUT, why bother?

          Was there any membership input prior to developing this idea of new letters?

          APBA wants recognition that it is about powerboat racing. APBA wants credibility in the world of motorsports. Is changing the APBA logo letters going to achieve that---I do not think so.

          If our APBA Board of Directors adopts this logo change, I question if anyone is really giving serious thought to not only the consequences, but also what the membership would want IF a change occurs. I adamantly believe that our membership would prefer that our logo projects "racing". Changing APBA letters is not achieving that.

          Let's put our APBA dollars into something that will project "racing" to the public; Let's put APBA dollars into advertising and promotion of our sport. APBA be better to spend its dollars on generating news releases to the media, buying banners on other websites, just as examples.

          Hiring Dan Wiener to do marketing and promotion is a step in the right direction, but I seriously doubt that promoting and marketing APBA will be hampered by our existing APBA logo letters.

          I have been a member of APBA since 1970 and it is frustrating that our APBA is in the state that it is in with declining membership (except for Vintage), a decline in race sites. I firmly believe it is due to the lack of marketing and promotion---that is where we need to spend APBA's dollars and fortuntely, that is where APBA is going with hiring Dan Wiener. I do not believe, however, that the existing APBA logo will hamper Dan Wiener's attempts to market and promote APBA.

          So, bottom line---do we really need this considering all of the above??

          Ann Fitzgerald
          Bravo Ann long time fan here, I spent many warm Sunday afternoons here in region 4 watching you drive the Thumann's Deli hydroplane. To be brutally honest I doubt any of the new measures being taken will produce much fruit given the state of the world and the economic climate we now live in.
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          • #6
            Interesting...

            I've been a member of the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) since I was nine years old.
            A few years ago the AMA went through some BIG changes. One of those changes was a new logo. It didn't work out! They spent a ton of membership dollars, time and resources to eventually (within a years time I believe) to go right back to it's original logo.
            The AMA much like the APBA has a long and storied history. Both logos are Highly Identifiable!

            I personally don't think the logo is the problem with APBA's success or lack there of.

            It didn't help the AMA....Why would one think it would help the APBA?
            93-C




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            • #7
              I finished a 1 liter mod last spring and its never been in the water. Its going to take more than a new logo to get me to pull it out of the garage. Personally, I think the effort and funds could be better spent elsewhere. Besides I always though flames projected racing. $.02

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              • #8
                I do not support this!!!!

                Jack 711R

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                • #9
                  I Never hought About It...

                  Originally posted by Tim Weber View Post
                  Decals are part of what I do for a living.

                  I well provide the APBA decals AT MY COST! I don't know how you can beat that.

                  All I need are the proposed specs, qty and an ai file and we are off to the races.

                  Something I have never figured out is why APBA doesn't have some type of what do its' members do for a living. I would welcome business from people in my hobby.

                  Tim
                  Tim, I make propellers for a living...At the DePue Reunion Ann Fitzgerald made our shirts. Shirts were delivered on time and were excellent. Ann is APBA's something....For Christmas this year I bought my wife some three blade earrings (For smooth water) and a set of four blades earrings (for rough water).

                  My wife was very pleased with her gift...

                  How many people know what Ann's connection with APBA is? I'm really no dummy, but I just happened onto her products..

                  ADD:

                  I'm not sure APBA's current logo is APBA's problem! Just saying..

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                  • #10
                    Waste of time and money

                    Obviously business thinks logos are important, otherwise they wouldn't spend so much on professional graphic designers to come up with something. However, there are some logos that have remained the same for decades and are a constant on our landscape such as the Ford Blue Oval and the Chevy Bow Tie. Neither are particularly intricate or fancy but everyone knows them and they are not about to change. I personally design logos for customers as part of my small sign business and I wish they understood that complicated doesn't necessarily mean memorable or readable.

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                    • #11
                      Logo

                      I like the logo i attached which is on the J Class brochure. Red is a REAL racing color and is very cool looking here in script. If a change is in order let's at least incorporate the word Racing into it...........

                      Matt
                      Region 4
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                      • #12
                        I do believe logos are important BUT do not have to be costly. I have done and had done logos for products. They need to be simple, identifiable and provide and image that tells who or what they represent. They should not be "busy", that is, they should be simple and present the desired image. Many logos are designed by contest. Contestants submit entries based on specific criteria. The prize for the winning logo may not be costly but should be significant enough to generate several entries.

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                        • #13
                          A contest is a great idea

                          Originally posted by Charlie Pater View Post
                          I do believe logos are important BUT do not have to be costly. I have done and had done logos for products. They need to be simple, identifiable and provide and image that tells who or what they represent. They should not be "busy", that is, they should be simple and present the desired image. Many logos are designed by contest. Contestants submit entries based on specific criteria. The prize for the winning logo may not be costly but should be significant enough to generate several entries.

                          A contest is a great idea. But IMHO there should be two contests, or at least a poll and a contest.

                          1. Since a lot of the current leadership seems to believe in the idea of a "member driven organization", a POLL either here or the new web site, or both (since there seems to be problems with the new APBA site as mentioned in another thread) to determine whether a new logo is really wanted or needed, or money needs to be spent and if so a maximum dollar amount for it, would be seen as recognizing that. This might go a long way to sooth some of the anger when this appropriation/contract for Crown was awarded for all the various reasons posted on this and other sites since the intent and award became known, along with the amount of money involved and the subsequent dues increase to pay for it.

                          2. After the results of the poll were determined, and if a new logo were found to be desirable based on posts on this thread, there would seem to be a good number of folks that have a talent in this area and it would only seem to be good advice to draw from that pool with a contest.

                          I have not seen any break out of the cost of this part of the contract, but based on what has been seen so far versus cost and "user friendliness" of what is up and running and commented on by various posters, the completed project might very well be superior. Of course that will never be known if this proposed entry is approved with out member input or approval.

                          After all, this new logo is going to be on a lot of the MEMBER OWNED EQUIPMENT if approved, whether by member poll and contest, or no input by the same group.
                          Last edited by bill van steenwyk; 02-13-2012, 06:02 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Well said, Ann!! Thats why we love ya!! Tell it like it is in plain english...and stand your ground!!
                            Joe John Schulte

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                            • #15
                              Apba

                              Do we all remember this decal. It did not have the word racing in it but at the time we were given these with our membership there were many more of us doing what we love, going fast on water.
                              David
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