anyone raceing d-mod,form-e hydro

[94H]

To start, these are my words and not the words of the Mod Commission. I still hate posting on HR

2009 Mod Commission Meeting - Raleigh, NC
The Mod commission was asked to allow the Tohatsu engine to be run as a prototype engine in 750MH and 750MR using a four blade propeller with no engine height restrictions. After a lengthily discussion, the final vote was 10 in favor, 1 against and 1 abstention. Darren Goering and Shawn Cavanaugh stated that they would supply lap sheets (requested data) from 2009 race sites to help overcome the Mod Commissions concern that the Tohatsu could potentially hurt the second largest class that exists in Mod today – 750MH (500MH is the largest).

2010 Mod Commission Meeting – Seattle, WA
When the discussion for the Tohatsu prototype came up neither Darren nor Shawn were present as anyone else with any form of data or lap sheets. This was a total surprise to the Mod commission based on the fact that it was such a hot topic though out the year. The Tohatsu was not reconsidered a prototype engine for 2010 (1 for, 6 against and 3 abstain)

I don’t agree with Pats comment about the Tohatsu not be given a chance and I can’t believe that Darren is complaining when he had the opportunity to prove that the Tohatsu would fit correctly in the 750 class. Call us idiots or whatever – those are just words. We’re a pretty solid commission with a strong passion about Mod racing.

The persons representing Tohatsu seem to think that the Mod commission would accept words over data which is not the way we operate. The opportunity was squandered by Tohatsu, not the Mod Commission.

[form-e one]

wow ask one question and looook out,,, mod commission in there glory maybe should have left it as a probation motor???since lack of evidence,,,,but as ive read before there was lots of evidence given to commision years before... hec ime sure they where at races watching daaaa,,just seems hurts boat raceing in general.... cost??? seems ive heard that alot ,,, hec now guys selling mercs for 6,000 i know there makeing money on that, they sure as hec didnt cost that years ago.... in my opinion,,,what has merc or omc/brp done for us lately as a hole???????nothing!!!! i think we need to support our small motor manufacturers,,,ie hot rod, yamato, bass,,,,,only new motors comeing in,,,,, hec try buying a electronic ignition for your d-mod lately,,, if you can find one,,600$ plus,,,, uggg,,, seems might need some new commissioners with thicker glasses to see the races,,,mmmm just my 3.5 cents..,,,, me going to work on my rude ,,,,,uggg..

[spellingteacher]

wow ask one question and looook out,,, mod commission in there glory maybe should have left it as a probation motor???since lack of evidence,,,,but as ive read before there was lots of evidence given to commision years before... hec ime sure they where at races watching daaaa,,just seems hurts boat raceing in general.... cost??? seems ive heard that alot ,,, hec now guys selling mercs for 6,000 i know there makeing money on that, they sure as hec didnt cost that years ago.... in my opinion,,,what has merc or omc/brp done for us lately as a hole???????nothing!!!! i think we need to support our small motor manufacturers,,,ie hot rod, yamato, bass,,,,,only new motors comeing in,,,,, hec try buying a electronic ignition for your d-mod lately,,, if you can find one,,600$ plus,,,, uggg,,, seems might need some new commissioners with thicker glasses to see the races,,,mmmm just my 3.5 cents..,,,, me going to work on my rude ,,,,,uggg..

Forget the rude, I suggest you work on your spelling and grammar!

[form-e one]

me too old to give a **** these days bud,,,, ime sure you'aalll get the jest,,,,,

[pro350hydro]

Forget the rude, I suggest you work on your spelling and grammar!

says the spelling teacher that doesn't sign his/her name

[A/B Speedliner]

What did he say?

Wow!!!

[HydroKyle93R]

cheyney, i appreciate that you are trying to get a class together and not start any drama. its too bad our fellow racers cant pull this stick out of their asses and drop the issue. let me ask this: when did whining on the internet after the fact ever make a difference? From my experience, it seldom happens.

You guys should just drop this. its taking up too much valuable space the internet. Plus, its interrupting my reading of more pertinent arguments.

94H: Thank you for posting that personal anecdote from the meetings. i think this should clear the air.

[hydroman6]

If the Tohatsu is not a legal motor for 750ccmh and was not a legal motor in the 2009 racing season then why are there people listed on the APBA web site with national points who raced with the Tohatsu motor in this class? Some of these people did not even have an APBA card allowing them to race modified outboard! Stock outboard card only! go figure...

[mercguy]

To start, these are my words and not the words of the Mod Commission. I still hate posting on HR

2009 Mod Commission Meeting - Raleigh, NC
The Mod commission was asked to allow the Tohatsu engine to be run as a prototype engine in 750MH and 750MR using a four blade propeller with no engine height restrictions. After a lengthily discussion, the final vote was 10 in favor, 1 against and 1 abstention. Darren Goering and Shawn Cavanaugh stated that they would supply lap sheets (requested data) from 2009 race sites to help overcome the Mod Commissions concern that the Tohatsu could potentially hurt the second largest class that exists in Mod today – 750MH (500MH is the largest).

2010 Mod Commission Meeting – Seattle, WA
When the discussion for the Tohatsu prototype came up neither Darren nor Shawn were present as anyone else with any form of data or lap sheets. This was a total surprise to the Mod commission based on the fact that it was such a hot topic though out the year. The Tohatsu was not reconsidered a prototype engine for 2010 (1 for, 6 against and 3 abstain)

I don’t agree with Pats comment about the Tohatsu not be given a chance and I can’t believe that Darren is complaining when he had the opportunity to prove that the Tohatsu would fit correctly in the 750 class. Call us idiots or whatever – those are just words. We’re a pretty solid commission with a strong passion about Mod racing.

The persons representing Tohatsu seem to think that the Mod commission would accept words over data which is not the way we operate. The opportunity was squandered by Tohatsu, not the Mod Commission.

whoa whoa whoa.................lets back up a couple years when Howard Shaw provided all the info you requested.................what was done with that?????????? He even had a powerhead available for the commish to take apart and inspect...............

as to my data, it was available to my Commish, it was apprently overlooked? I still have it all, but highly doubt the current commissioners would want to look at it now!!

seems the current commish did not have a problem allowing a RESTRICTED 102/302 into Bmod? Why is 500mod the biggest class in MOD now??? Because a NEW motor is allowed.........that being the 302!!!!!!!!!!

[mercguy]

cheyney, i appreciate that you are trying to get a class together and not start any drama. its too bad our fellow racers cant pull this stick out of their asses and drop the issue. let me ask this: when did whining on the internet after the fact ever make a difference? From my experience, it seldom happens.

You guys should just drop this. its taking up too much valuable space the internet. Plus, its interrupting my reading of more pertinent arguments.

94H: Thank you for posting that personal anecdote from the meetings. i think this should clear the air.

Kyle, when you start spending your own money on motors and equipment maybe you will find that stick too!

............ maybe I should ask the Bryne Bros to sponsor all of my racing equipment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[94H]

Darren,
I have been on the Mod Commission for the last eight years and I do not have any performance or lap sheet data from Howard Shaw.

The engine you speak of was never sent to the Midwest and we're told it sat on Howards office floor. We had three engine builders in Indiana ready to co -build a 850 engine to see what it would do (using our tower housing and gear box). At the time, this seemed to be the only way we would get the data we needed to evaluate the engine performance and ET's around a race course. Please discuss these details with Howard.

As far as your data, all I can say is we traveled to Seattle to see it and you weren't there. Why do you blame other people when this responsibilty was yours.

We have been discussing the Tohatsu in our Mod Commission meetings for last five years and the factory representatives have not supplied what was asked. Makes me wonder if you guys ever did your homework in school.

This is very after the fact and I am only speaking up because this issue is not the fault of the Modified Commission. We don't deserve the bashing that you guys are giving us. I'm really getting tired of it.

Respectfully,

Bob Koschka - Region 7

[mercguy]

Darren,
I have been on the Mod Commission for the last eight years and I do not have any performance or lap sheet data from Howard Shaw.

The engine you speak of was never sent to the Midwest and we're told it sat on Howards office floor. We had three engine builders in Indiana ready to co -build a 850 engine to see what it would do (using our tower housing and gear box). At the time, this seemed to be the only way we would get the data we needed to evaluate the engine performance and ET's around a race course. Please discuss these details with Howard.

As far as your data, all I can say is we traveled to Seattle to see it and you weren't there. Why do you blame other people when this responsibilty was yours.

We have been discussing the Tohatsu in our Mod Commission meetings for last five years and the factory representatives have not supplied what was asked. Makes me wonder if you guys ever did your homework in school.

This is very after the fact and I am only speaking up because this issue is not the fault of the Modified Commission. We don't deserve the bashing that you guys are giving us. I'm really getting tired of it.

Respectfully,

Bob Koschka - Region 7

your right Bob.................I WILL take FULL REPSONSIBILITY for the info I obtained during the 09 racing season not being presented at the Meeting!!!!!!! I STILL will not agree with the actions the commish took on the subject!!! Building the motor for 850cc has nothing to do with it being allowed in 750cc...........how would that be pertinant for data for 750cc? Where is the data provided that allowed the motor to be APPROVED for use in 850cc?????? Was there any???? doesn't seem to be very consistant.......

PS: you might get on the phone with the FACTORY rep and see why he/they do not get involved with this subject in APBA!!! They sure dont have a problem with the NBRA leadership!!!!!!!

[hydroman6]

How does this happen?

If the Tohatsu is not a legal motor for 750ccmh and was not a legal motor in the 2009 racing season then why are there people listed on the APBA web site with national points who raced with the Tohatsu motor in this class? Some of these people did not even have an APBA card allowing them to race modified outboard! Stock outboard card only! go figure...

I DID NOT make this post. Is it possible to hack an avitar and signature? If you dont have to stones to make a statement, don't do it using someone elses name. ESPECIALLY MINE! I am contacting Bluesky next.

[mercguy]

bill.... there all lie's the stories youve heard ,,,,heheheh,,,, i deff will be at moses lake and eatonvilee and lawerance,,, and of course at nats in orville,,,, soo if any moders want to plan on that speak up lets put something together,,,,,,, can mods be combined with pro at reg 10 races so as to let them race also,,,as we use todo in the old days,,,,,,,,,,, also how many d-stocks in region 10 pat and dave and bill and peters and??? as i will/can bring a d-stock also..... need to get my stocker going for the 1 1/4 mile comp records,,,,, give peter's some comp??? hehe hopefully

Cheney, we have between 8-10 D stocks..........so that class is "no-worries".............

[R-43Mod]

wow, If you guys in region 10 want a place to run your D-mods-tots we have it, 6-8boats on the beach beats sitting on the trailer, cheaper too. Cheney we are getting closer to having new wood.