Fuel for Franklin and western PA

[Mike 41P]

I was doing a new search for ethanol free gas and I found this right in Franklin - maybe lots know this but I didn't
Heath Oil 814-437-7802 is just east of Franklin on 322, station hours 8 to 6
http://www.heathoilinc.com/2.html
http://www.dancoindustriesinc.com/
It seems they are in the business of recovering mixed and contaminated fuels. They PRODUCE ethanol free gas. It is a mix of grades and they rate it as 87 octane.

Joel and Niel, do you know these folks? It would be kool if they could visit the race to sell fuel Saturday morning.

Mike Thierfelder

[xcsp700]

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Dont believe it I dont think there is any fuel in Pa. that does not have ethanol in it except race fuel and av. been there done that sorry. Let me know if you find out different.

[G Stillwill]

At least in PA if its in the fuel it has to posted on the pump as its a state law. Alot of states dont have to put it on the pumps.

[G Stillwill]

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=PA

[sam]

We've been buying ethanol free gas in Shrewsbury PA for some time

[Bob Rusnak]

Why don't the the "leaders" just stop all this. Allow pump gas as it is sold. I got out of Stock and Mod because of this. Went Pro where any fuel is allowed and cheaper than Ave Gas. This is the way of life we are faces with. Ethanol is not the problem.......Just my opinion.....Bob

[Dave M]

Agreed

Why don't the the "leaders" just stop all this. Allow pump gas as it is sold. I got out of Stock and Mod because of this. Went Pro where any fuel is allowed and cheaper than Ave Gas. This is the way of life we are faces with. Ethanol is not the problem.......Just my opinion.....Bob

Bob, I believe you nailed the fuel problem. I ran Ethanol all last season, as they were a major sponsor of a series in the NBRA. Even in the SEH class (850CCMH in APBA) it did nothing except eat up some 20 year old hoses. Those should have been replaced anyways. Newer fuel line can be purchased that is fine. I think APBA is concerned with additional additives that will suddenly become undetectable if they bump the meter to allow for Ethanol. Rules on top of rules, just to regulate the rules. LOL !

[G Stillwill]

It not a point of letting E-10 or 15 in as it wont make much of a differance but add E-85 and that will make a differance. The meter cant tell just how much ethanol is in the fuel.

[Bob Rusnak]

What kind of additives are everyone afraid of? As far as E85, should be no advantage. Would have really change the carbs to allow for this fuel. That should be really easy to detect. If cheaters are the way of stock and mod that really hurts the image of outboard racing....Just my opinion.....Bob

[raceright]

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If cheaters are the way of stock and mod that really hurts the image of outboard racing....Just my opinion.....Bob
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Pat

[G Stillwill]

Nope not cheating just called the gray areas....lol

[Matt Dagostino]

Guess again

I ran Ethanol all last season, as they were a major sponsor of a series in the NBRA. Even in the SEH class (850CCMH in APBA) it did nothing except eat up some 20 year old hoses.

Lol...wait till you take the carb apart and look at the seals, gaskets and inlet needle tip. Good luck!

[Dave M]

Simple Test

We used E-85. ZERO performance gain could be detected on the GPS.

Simple test to see how much Ehtonol is in your gas... geesh. Buy the tester right from Mercury.... any local Merc dealer can get it I am sure. They are pretty cheap too.... I think ours cost under $30.00.

All I am saying is there is a very easy way around the fuel problem if everyone would get off their it eats out all my seals and gaskets and hoses kick. Change it over to new stuff and it won't. So Matt, do you know what you are talking about ? For real ? Perhaps the Mod guys change their seals and gaskets more often than the Stock Yamato guys, I dunno. I know the Yamatos seem to run forever without a lot of tear down needed. A learning curve will be needed for anyone to switch over to Ethonol blended fuels. Why fight it ? Perhaps it is time to move in the 1990's and stay out of the 1960's.

Here is a simple way to accept the future of gasoline engines.... use pump gas. Make the rules so that a person can run pump style gas, OR racing fuel from all the race fuel factories. I never said eliminate non ethonol blends..... just accept it and move on with more important things, like moving forward without a zillion rules to govern me out of existence.

[Bob Rusnak]

Good response Dave, I can't agree more. I still can not get an answer to what actual fuel enhancements they are looking for to detect? Alcohol is not the problem as mentioned before, it will not add any performance unless other modifications are made to the engines. And I can't agree more, get out of the 1960's and move on.....Just my opinion...Bob

[sam]

Here's the problem not addressed by proponents of ethanol: it is expensive to differentiate between ethanol and nitromethane at race sites with an inexpensive test


If you allow alcohol, race committees must poney up much more money for fuel testing. Expensive chemical tests are required, there is no inexpensive meter like the Digitron for nitro.