Any One Know What Ive Got

[bond73]

I Was wondering if any one out there knows what exactly what ive got here..All i know is it has a tag that says it had a Evinrude/Johnson V-6 Looper Powerhead Adapter on it and its 15 inch,also has this steering part that comes with it ,u can see in the other pic, also the ID Tag on it says (KC 13 R)..Also what do you think its worth? Any info whould be great...Thank You

[Scott Deware]

OMC V-4 center and "club foot" lower unit

Nice find. I'm not sure that it was a OMC V-6 CCC center. It has been a while since I have seen one but I think it a V-4 Strangler (if in Evinrude trim) center and lower unit. I believe the lower unit is a version that was known as a "club foot." It was bigger than the 1:1 that was commonly used and if my memory is correct it was a 14:23 ratio. With it you could run a much bigger diameter prop. You could kep the RPM's much lower (7200 - 7400) and it had great acceleration. Keeping the RPM's down was important when running the engine in long races because it was a cross flow engine and liked to meld pistons if you ran over about 7500 RPM. Top end was less than the 1:1, but on a short course and races with a Lemans start you could get to the first turn first and stay out front. I won some national championships and a bunch of races in Formula 100, Mod 100in the 80's with a 14' Broughton boat (basically a SE boat with some life taken out) and also ran some endurance races with a 16' Seebold. Again, I could be wrong, it has been 25 years since I worked with one I seem to remember the KC 13 R as a V-4 mid. Are you looking to sell it?

[Scott Deware]

I might be wrong!

I just looked at a couple of old photos and it may be a CCC mid. The KC 13 R just did not sound right. Anyone else out there have any thoughts? Another clue that I skipped over the first time was the trim on it. If it has verticle trim (verticle up and down on the saddle), that would be another clue. If it is an OMC V-6 CCC center then it was for OMC cross flow six. Again another cross flow engine with six two barrel carbs. Had a hard time keeping up with the Merc Twisters and later the Merc V-6's but did well in endurance races and a few guys made it work. Guys like Jimbo McConnel had great careers with the CCC V-6. But it was limited as to the max RPM and that always hurt it at places like St Louis.
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[bond73]

Looking to sell

Yes Im Going To be selling it once i have some idea of what i have and what would be a fair price..I did match up a V-6 powerhead mounting gasket to the adapter plate..Thank you for your advice

[Scott Deware]

If it matches up then that's what you have. Does the saddle trim work? One problem is that it would be almost impossible to build a real CCC now. Too many different parts from the stock motor. If it were the V-4 you could build a motor from used stock 115 and 140 HP parts. I still might be interested but I will need to make some calls to see what it's worth.

[Guest]

Crabs

[I Was wondering if any one out there knows what exactly what ive got here..

Crabs?

[MN1]

Something like this.
Mark N

[Scott Deware]

I looked at some older photo's and what you have is a V-4 tower and "club foot." I forgot that the The V-6 tower had a big exhaust box on the back of it. If I remember it was also wider. I don't remember if the 4 and 6 bolt patterns were similar. Where did you get it. Most of the V-4's were run with the 1:1. The big foot is not common (but does not make it any more valuable because parts are probably impossible to find).

[sam]

The "Clubfoot" unit has a rounded nose ... that's how it got the name.

[Scott Deware]

We had two of the "ClubFoot" units and they both were pointed. I don't know if they started that way when introduced in the 70's, but they were pointed when we got them (used them) in the 80's. I did not run the 1:1 but my memory is that it was much more narrow then the unit in the photo.

[Scott Deware]

Bond73 - can you turn the drive shaft and let us know if it is 1:1 or not? That would answer the ClubFoot question.

[bond73]

Its a 1 to 1 ratio

[bond73]

If any1 is intrested in makeing an offer on this id be glad to listen...Ty All

[Fast Freddie]

By the model KC-13, it is part of a "Kenosha" V-4, a 100 CID cross-flow which had two two-barrel carbs. The later engine was an 8-barrel carb version - the KC-15. Someone may have built a custom adapter to mount a V-6, but that was never done at the factory. And, the racing "looper V-6" was never commercially produced or sold - only a factory team engine.

The CCC had a completely different midsection and gear case (which was also the only midsection used under the race team's loopers).

Just some old memories coming out...

[brichter]

If any1 is intrested in makeing an offer on this id be glad to listen...Ty All

I am interested in this mid and lower, where is it located?