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  • Boat Set-Up Tips

    I like the idea for some information to be out there and in one place to send folks with questions. If the answer is not here anyone can call me or email me, or get hold of me. I hold nothing back when it comes to boat set up. Now if you ask for prop numbers... well that might be pushing it.

    Here are some basics assuming you understand the basic terminology.

    For the larger hydros, kneeling and not laying down. I am thinking 750CCMH (44CI) and 850CCMH (3 Holer or SEH).

    A decent starting point for an average adult on a somewhat recent hull that has not gained weight, and is of the designer’s original plan.

    Set the engine up with a 1/8" Tucked under measurement. Also start out with he center of the prop shaft roughly 1/2" below the bottom of the ACTUAL bottom of the boat. Do NOT measure this from inside the tunnel of the boat. Your measurement will not be correct. To do this take a level that reaches across the bottom staying in between the air traps. Next use a so called pecker checker attached to your prop shaft. At this point before measuring make certain your engine is "set up" meaning clamps are tight, and it is down on the transom or shim sticks. The steering can be hooked up if you wish. Now take that level and move it forward (front of boat) to roughly the end of the checker. Measure from the top side of the level down to your checker. If your short term memory is shaky, right this number down. BE ACCURATE as 1/8" can make a big difference, real big. Next move your level as close to the rear of the boat as possible and measure from the top of the level to your checker. Again, write this down if needed. Once you have these two numbers, you can subtract to arrive at your final number. If the front of the checker measures a larger number than the rear it means you are "tucked out" If the rear number is larger than the front number you are "tucked in". I encourage and plead with you to write this measurement down. And be consistent on where you measure. It makes for fewer mistakes in some quick decisions. Adjust your brackets as necessary to achieve the number you want.

    If you want to measure your prop shaft height, simply take a longer level and lay it on the actual bottom of the boat. On most prop shafts there is a small hole in the very center of it at the rear. This is where it was in lathe being turned. It is a center point. Keeping your level tight to the bottom measure from the top edge of the level to that center point at the rear of the prop shaft. This is your height.

    As I said this is a starting point. I have found this measurement to be a great place to start each new hydro I have built and tested. To change set-ups it will depend on your hull design and props and power bands. There is no what works best for Brian Palmquist will work for Darren Goehrig.

    One important tip. If you think running above the bottom of the boat works, be certain the gearbox you choose to run will handle this. Not only is water important to cool your engine, but you need to control the boat in the corners too. My fastest set-up will achieve 4 - 5 MPH faster than my actual race set-up. Race set-up means it will handle everywhere on the race course without fearing of losing control in rougher water. I will always give up speed for control.

    At any rate, this is bound to get several different opinions and it should. Each boat is different. Your weight and the power band of your engine all play a role.
    Dave Mason
    Just A Boat Racer


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    When measuring 1/8" tuck it might be good to state over what distance you are measuring it over....... ie.)6", 12", 18". 1/8" tuck measure over a length of 6" will react quite differently that measured over 12". Just something I thought I should share
    Sean Byrne



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    • #3
      Basic rules for runabouts:

      Generally, set the prop shaft level or slightly tucked under at the minimum depth for your class.

      In a runabout, the flatter the bottom, the faster it is. I mean get stupid crazy anal retentive about getting a flat bottom. Remeasure several times a season as some boats dont hold a flat bottom well.

      On a runabout, dont be afraid to play with the distance to the break. That is, the distance from the back of the boat to where the flat bottom ends and it starts curving up toward the nose. Just a few inches can make a big difference in both handling and speed.

      BW
      302SSH.....Putting the Stock back in Stock Outboard

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seanp3 View Post
        When measuring 1/8" tuck it might be good to state over what distance you are measuring it over....... ie.)6", 12", 18". 1/8" tuck measure over a length of 6" will react quite differently that measured over 12". Just something I thought I should share
        This is a great thread! On behalf of guys like me, thanks...Really.

        So, on a C Stock Hydro, assuming that the aft measurement is as far back as you can, how many inches forward do you recommend to take the forward measurement?

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        • #5
          Thanks Dave for getting this thread going. Now this is what we need to be promoting for the growth of the sport. A lot of sports keep secrets but I think Boat racers are very open about how to get started and the goal is to make racing fun for new and old.

          With a 302 thread coming and the mod motor and step by step build we are helping lots of new folks and old farts like me. Never to old to learn!
          Mike - One of the Montana Boys

          If it aint fast make it look good



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          • #6
            Originally posted by mdaspit View Post
            This is a great thread! On behalf of guys like me, thanks...Really.

            So, on a C Stock Hydro, assuming that the aft measurement is as far back as you can, how many inches forward do you recommend to take the forward measurement?

            Mark I have the BTM gauge and I have a 12" section taped off on the gauge. I take a measurement at the back tape and one at the front tape to get my readings
            Mike - One of the Montana Boys

            If it aint fast make it look good



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            • #7
              It is worth the extra cost to get the measuring tool from Brown Tool and Manufacturing (BTM) that is described as the Official Height Checker.

              http://www.btmco.com/Set-up_Tools.html

              It is only a little bit more expensive but the exact same one the inspector will be using.

              Every millimeter counts.

              Your only as good as your tools.

              The devil is in the details.
              302SSH.....Putting the Stock back in Stock Outboard

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mdaspit View Post
                This is a great thread! On behalf of guys like me, thanks...Really.

                So, on a C Stock Hydro, assuming that the aft measurement is as far back as you can, how many inches forward do you recommend to take the forward measurement?
                12" is good. But, more important, is consistency. Without it your setup notes won't mean anything
                Sean Byrne



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                • #9
                  Couple more steps

                  Adding a bit:

                  When changing/verifying tuck, first ensure the engine is firm against the thrust bracket or transom, not hung up on a stiff tilt swivel. At the back of the tower above cavitation plate give it a firm thump with the heel of your hand to ensure engine is firmly against the bracket/transom. If you have the Yamato engine mounted 2 bolt bracket (not transom mounted), open up the securing nuts on the bolts and back off one bolt 1/4"+ from the range of space your working. Adjust tuck only with the other bolt until the preferred tuck adjustment (eg:1/8") is achieved, giving the engine a tap prior to each measure, especially if tucking in by small increments. Once tuck achieved, secure the bolt off with the nut, adjust the second bolt, bringing it forward until the head touches the opposite side, give it another thump. Using a gap measuring tool (dollar bill) ensure there is no gap between either bolt head and the bar they’re against. This ensures both bolts are taking the thrust load from the engine evenly when under stress, rather than only one bolt, possibly putting uneven stress on the engine/transom, misdirecting the forward thrust and rearward prop thrust. Now tighten up the nuts on the bolts to secure the bolts from moving. Thump the engine, measure tuck again. If good, rope off the engine around back tower to transom eyebolts. Check firmness of steering wheel to be comfortable/responsive, adjust rope tension if too lose/tight.

                  Add your comments as required. The same process shld be described for using transom mounted thrust brackets from J-A-D.

                  Throw more ideas/comments on the tuck-in, scribe the definitive process, different boats/motors, save the topic elsewhere as a permanent reference.
                  Stock Outboard Racing!....because other sports,....golf, football, baseball, etc....only require one Ball!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hydroid View Post
                    Adding a bit:

                    When changing/verifying tuck, first ensure the engine is firm against the thrust bracket or transom, not hung up on a stiff tilt swivel. At the back of the tower above cavitation plate give it a firm thump with the heel of your hand to ensure engine is firmly against the bracket/transom. If you have the Yamato engine mounted 2 bolt bracket (not transom mounted), open up the securing nuts on the bolts and back off one bolt 1/4"+ from the range of space your working. Adjust tuck only with the other bolt until the preferred tuck adjustment (eg:1/8") is achieved, giving the engine a tap prior to each measure, especially if tucking in by small increments. Once tuck achieved, secure the bolt off with the nut, adjust the second bolt, bringing it forward until the head touches the opposite side, give it another thump. Using a gap measuring tool (dollar bill) ensure there is no gap between either bolt head and the bar they’re against. This ensures both bolts are taking the thrust load from the engine evenly when under stress, rather than only one bolt, possibly putting uneven stress on the engine/transom, misdirecting the forward thrust and rearward prop thrust. Now tighten up the nuts on the bolts to secure the bolts from moving. Thump the engine, measure tuck again. If good, rope off the engine around back tower to transom eyebolts. Check firmness of steering wheel to be comfortable/responsive, adjust rope tension if too lose/tight.

                    Add your comments as required. The same process shld be described for using transom mounted thrust brackets from J-A-D.

                    Throw more ideas/comments on the tuck-in, scribe the definitive process, different boats/motors, save the topic elsewhere as a permanent reference.
                    Erik I have found that it is better to measure angle with the engine roped ,I've seen the #'s change after tiedown. Or maybe my tower needs viaga or something. I like this info stuff it would be nice if we could store it where it won't get lost for easy access......Mike?
                    Latter Race Team 20SSH/CSH/OSY400 /AXSH
                    The eh TEAM
                    "We'll burn that bridge when we come to it"

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                    • #11
                      Dave...thanks!

                      Good practical stuff, that most of us have to learn touch and go, or finally in desperation and tantrums the guy in the pit next to you takes pity on you and says: "Listen up newbie...." (Of course THAT is truly the teachable moment! ha ha)

                      Dan
                      O-66



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                      • #12
                        Viagra, and stuff

                        Originally posted by Wayne mtl qc View Post
                        Erik I have found that it is better to measure angle with the engine roped ,I've seen the #'s change after tiedown. Or maybe my tower needs viaga or something. I like this info stuff it would be nice if we could store it where it won't get lost for easy access......Mike?
                        Wayne, most towers are stiff enough, but given the age of yours I can understand your desire to rope it off to obtain the rigidity that you'd be happy with for an accurate measurement and a meaningful performance.
                        You may be introducing an added variable with the roping, if you're not yanking on it each time with the same tension. Are you sure your yanking consistently to get the same stiffness? Maybe over the next couple of months, during these long winter nights, keep yanking your rope over and over again until your consistently stiff,...Sean also emphasized the consistency, see, he knows,...and don't forget to measure.

                        BTW, thank Lyne and Trudi for the Menage A Trois they introduced me to at Crystal Lake; I'm so into it now. Had another one after Xmas after skiing in NY,US. It really mellows me out and feel relaxed.
                        You and Brant keep pulling your ropes, and I'll enjoy the Menage A Trois.
                        Tryin to be helpful.
                        Stock Outboard Racing!....because other sports,....golf, football, baseball, etc....only require one Ball!

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                        • #13
                          also remember if you change the kick in that it will change the height. If you run right at the min height you better chech it again cause it will have changed.

                          Also if it is a new boat or new to you start out with a conservative set up and then start dialing it in. You don't want to blow over first time out and remember the throttle works both ways
                          Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                          If it aint fast make it look good



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                          • #14
                            Another thing to remember on set up is make sure the skid fin is in line with the air traps. I like to clamp a level with laser light in the end of it to the skid fin and then measure right next to the skid fin and then at the transom. Try to get the measurement the same by shimming the skid fin bracket with thin shim stock.
                            Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                            If it aint fast make it look good



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seanp3 View Post
                              When measuring 1/8" tuck it might be good to state over what distance you are measuring it over....... ie.)6", 12", 18". 1/8" tuck measure over a length of 6" will react quite differently that measured over 12". Just something I thought I should share
                              I got an old checker with my hydro & that is a question Ive thought about too. I was told it should run at 3/16 tuck on 'that' checker but wondered if a length of 'check' goes with the vertical measurements as a standard otherwise?
                              Team Tower

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