champion---hotrod ???

[T Chance]

Champion made three versions of the early 12+ Cu in Hot Rods, 162 of the 4KS in 1949, then 38 of the 4LS in 1950 then on to 238 of the 4LS- 1X in 1950 and 1951. The 4KS and 4LS had gearcases that looked like the Hydro drive cases of the 2LHD and 4LHD service engines. the 4LS=1X was the first with the actual racing gearcase with the 14/19 ratio.
Cooper

Cooper, this is very interesting. Both of mine had the 14:19 racing gearcase but I have no idea what year the powerhead was from. One was actually a Monarch as Champion built the motors for others and they were named Monarch, Majestic or Voyager. The Monarch was green. This was my gas burner that I bought in 1953 from the wages I earned sweeping the floor of my father's print shop at 35 cents-per-hour. It came with a racing gearcase. The other one, the alcohol burner, had the gas tank spacered up higher to clear the open exhaust with no recoil starter. The tank was painted a dark blue (not champion blue). This is the one built by Irv Kurke, later I bought the "B" from his brother Ray.

[Skoontz]

I can seem to get the photos off the email he sent me to load onto the site. I will forward as soon as i figure that out.

[marteni]

can,t wait thanks Pat

[champhotrod]

Cooper, this is very interesting. Both of mine had the 14:19 racing gearcase but I have no idea what year the powerhead was from. One was actually a Monarch as Champion built the motors for others and they were named Monarch, Majestic or Voyager. The Monarch was green. This was my gas burner that I bought in 1953 from the wages I earned sweeping the floor of my father's print shop at 35 cents-per-hour. It came with a racing gearcase. The other one, the alcohol burner, had the gas tank spacered up higher to clear the open exhaust with no recoil starter. The tank was painted a dark blue (not champion blue). This is the one built by Irv Kurke, later I bought the "B" from his brother Ray.

Tim,
Quite a few of the earlier 4KS and 4LS engines were updated with the racing gearcases and also a slightly shorter tower housing. I have a 4KS that was updated and was factory stamped 4KS-1X. It has the racing gearcase and short tower and the glass bowl carb of the 4LS-1X.

I have been trying to an article on the early Hot Rods for the AOMCI magazine and hopefully will get to it this winter.

Cooper

[marteni]

i think i started something here--i have learned a lot and can,t wait to see the pic on the one in tucson Pat

[marteni]

i said earlier the jim wilson and gp harnik built the one i had that was wrong--lawernce rikert(cheif) and jim wilson sr built my engine in spokane wa just fyi

[marteni]

i have a pic of this engine but do not know how to transfer it to here ??

[Don Saulsbury]

Usually a lurker here, but do have a few pics of a 4LS-1X I had. It turned up at a NY AOMCI meet. It really didn't fit my collection of 30's OMC racers, but didn't want it to disappear. I later sold it to Chuck Young from Ohio.

[marteni]

looks very close to the one in tucson except for the lower cowling is still on the one in tucson---nice engine thanks