25/10/AXS/J Merc Throttle Brackets

[crankbearing]

Factory Part

Shawn,

Ernie saw these installed on a motor in FL as well and there was no issues one way or the other and to be honest these are what came on the 10XS from the factory - hence the holes all line up. I did not drill extra holes.

Steve,

I finally got the plastic pieces from Mercury this past week. So Yes the throttle kits will be ready to ship out Mid Week. I have about 12 of them assembled and ready to go.

Some one e-mail or PM me Gary Pond's address please.

Regards,

[crankbearing]

Ready to Ship

All the brackets are ready to ship out, I am picking up the SS threaded rod today. I have 20 sets in stock. These can be for 25 or J/AXS as discussed.

e-mail - sales@scottcraftboats.com

Paypal Accepted as well.

Regards,

[Matt Dagostino]

Dave

Are these legal J throttle brackets??? Per the current Propeller magazine it appears your brackets may be illegal to install??

Matt

[crankbearing]

Screwed Again

Are these legal J throttle brackets??? Per the current Propeller magazine it appears your brackets may be illegal to install??

Matt

matt,

I just sent an e-mail to Ernie, Mark and Scott to find out the deal. This is just crap period. They were seen in FL and they WORK 100% with no chance of binding as the originals do when worn. Not too mention 30 Seconds to connect or disconnect and they are a FACTORY part to begin with.

[Steve Warnock]

Ceck your PM

Dave,

Check your PM!

Steve

[Steve Warnock]

If not legal-Lets make it LEGAL!

To J/AX/A Class parents/crews/drivers,

This is a NO BRAINER! Mercury parts, no speed advantage, and elims a potential binding issue.

For those that are going from AX(Merc) to A(OMC) this makes life so much easier trying to make the conversion from one motor to the other including sets ups(height diferences, etc).

Especially so when a Race Committee runs both classes in the same flight and you maybe have 2 heats (20 minutes) to get the job done.

Contact the J Class Co-Chairs, Ernie Dawe/Steve Hearn and their committee as well as the SO Chair Scott Reed.

This needs to be confirmed as a legal component ASAP.

Warbs

[Skoontz]

Makes perfect sense guys. I remember when a local guy got DQed in Family J class for pasting a decal from his business on the back of his engine cover. No speed difference at all, you should be able to run what ya brung so long as it is safe.

[ricochet112]

Bad Design

We need a better designed throttle bracket and now we have it, but it's not legal

Ernie and Mark are you listening?

[Fast Jack]

J class

Dave, as I had posted on page 1 the J comission is on there own agenda. The effort we put into making new parts can be thrown out with no explanation from the people who are suposed to be making this class grow. I was told that they are woried about the throttle cable crossing the back of the boat , The linkage we ( Ken Hall and I ) made allows the cable to enter thru the fuel connector opening in the stock 15 hp merc pan. Then I was told that the J comission decided to go with a single sorce for parts, I was also informed that they would have told me this before I had produced parts , but they had no way to contact me.!!!! We need to put the making of rules in the hands of the active J class members. Changes that make performance improvements should go to a parity comission ,non performance issues should be voted on by the class members.

[crankbearing]

well now some players are involved

Thanks for the support.

BIG LETTERS - CONTACT ROBYN SHANE AND IT WILL GET DONE. Gary pond order two more on top of his other 4. So all his motors will have them and there are a few others on the east coast that are ordering in Lieu of this VERY BAD DECISION.

We have a government agency in Canada called the competition bureau and they investigate MONOPOLY's as this certainly seems like the case. I would urge that this gets taken into the MEMBERS hands. Worried about the cable crossing over GIMME A BREAK, I said we have been running these for two - three seasons in Canada with NO PROBLEMS And in 25 for ??? how many years. Shawn you are right there is a whole other agenda going on here and it certainly needs to stop.

Ernie has not returned my E-mail nore has Mark, Scott is now involved as well. So I know there will be a bunch of these on motor at the nationals anyhow despite this dumbass rule.

Regards,

[G Stillwill]

I think the only real agenda here is keeping it simple for new people and only having to shop one source for motors or kits to go racing. If its opened up to any souce it goes right in the direction stocks took and we all know where thats went.Seems the J Division when its the biggest growing Division in APBA has it figured out how to make the sport grow. As far as the members voting on issues they are 12-16 year old's of course we know who will make the votes for them. Makes no differance to me which hook up is used but now the kit becomes 545.00 + 129.00 + 20.00 (boden wire)+ shipping and its over 700.00 per motor and all the motors have to be converted over as the longer boden wire is to long to go back to the other set up.

[bill boyes]

Let me clear the air on this as some are assuming things before they ask.
1. This is not how the 10sx throttle was from Mercury. I know as I owned one when my son raced J pro in 1989-90.
2. I do not recall this design of Dave Scotts being submitted to the J committee for approval.
3. It is felt by the J committee that a throttle cable that crosses over a child's feet is not a good idea for safety reasons.
4. If Dave thinks his kit is better then I suggest he submits it to the J committee for approval.
5. There has been requests for piece parts from the J kits and The J committee wanted to get APBA out of the parts business and let a vendor supply the parts.
6. The J committee selected a bid from Allen Brown(Brown Tool) to make the throttle kits. He also makes the steering bars for the OMC and Merc A/J motors.
Remember the J committee is made up of APBA members and are appointed by the President.
7. Robyn Shane is a member of the J committee.

[crankbearing]

replies

Bill,

NO! your 10XS probably had the first years setup just like the 25XS did which went through the front of the motor, which was changed in the second year. I have seen three 10XS with this bracket on it and it is written on the Mercury drawings 10XS/25XS throttle bracket. I guess this would be the same they never made a long shaft 25XS as well.

Any THROTTLE bracket would mean just that - ANY throttle bracket is what I believe WAS approved at the convention.

Can we check the accident reports in 25 hydro and let us know If any of them were do to a drivers foot being caught in the throttle cable. We tested Gary's (abby's) rig in FL with a longer cable screwed to the left coaming where it meets the transom with no issues. Ernie SAW it.

The J that is on this thread in the pics has one of my brackets on it for exactly the reason we say the original is not safe, In her 2nd race the existing throttle bracket bound up causing her throttle to stick coming in from end of the heat. This was an 11 year old girl in her 2nd race. She did not feel like racing much on Sunday. She has had the new bracket on here motor since with ZERO issues - OH! and the cable crosses over.

These brackets were never made with the intent of AXS or J they were made to fill the void in the 25XS class where needed for guys building new motors, the holes were in the bracket because they were on the print when I had them programmed into the CNC press, so they just happened to bolt perfectly to the 9.9 etc.. powerhead and several people have tried them and wanted to use them since. I had none left at FL and was not going to make anymore as the last batch sat around for 2 years. So after it was installed and there was that rule past at the convention and all the AXS guys and gals that saw it in FL loved it and wanted to use it, I made a new run of 25 after FL.

NOW The new rule I am told would not have been in effect until Nov 08, but the J committee in a phone meeting on APRIL the 1st as per the propeller article change the rule to read (NoW) any bracket is legal as long as it is the same as the APBA bracket made by Alan Brown. why bother making the rule to any throttle bracket is legal to begin with.

And yes Robin Shane is on the J committee, I have contacted her as of 9am this morning and I am waiting for Scott Reeds call.

As i stated, people are buying the brackets NOW and they are going to install and run them is what I am being told.

Thanks for the support though....

[Skoontz]

I wanted to add something here. In the past, I myself ahve questioned why or why not regarding numerous legal items needed for motors to race with. I have also had a very difficult time in our region finding motors, parts, accessories etc.

After a year in the "game" I'm starting to realize allot of the why regarding what is legal and what is not.

With manufacturers leaving the country to do business in yickifigia, it is harder and harder to find good quality manufacturers who will build the necessary items for racing. It ain't like the 50's where everyone had a military surplus Bridgeport and played in their garage.

Said that, it is important to give those who manufacture parts for this sport enough business to make it worth their while, as well as keep the sport supplied, which is I think, the why one part was made legal. There was no intent on anyone's count to do some under the table dealing like Mayor Daily in the city of Chicago would do.

Now, said all that, I think you have a pretty cool accessory here, and hate rules as much as I do, rules is rules. So, take the proper steps to get your pieces made legal by going directly to the source.

A great example of this is when I had my personal buttheadedness regarding
our race team failures in J class. Bill Boyes was one of the first to come up and tell me if I had a better idea, show it to him, and he would personally put it before committee.

This is not a closed end this is it committee, it is a committee that is always looking to better the sport for all.

So, you got a great idea, put it before committee and see where it goes. For parts and accessories approval, you may need to lend a few kits out to those who can make decisions and ask them to try your product in practice, so they can report, first hand how well your part works. It appears that some of the bigger players in the sport are buying the parts, so thats a good thing too!

Anyhow, my 2 cents, and man my foot is getting better tasting all the time!

Good luck with your throttle parts.

[ricochet112]

A different angle

I've been helping the new HARM J racers with their set-ups on the Mercs. Trying to show someone, a newbie, on how to properly set up the "legal" designed throttle is a joke. It's difficult to set up and most of the time will bind and not fully return the throttle plate to a fully closed position.

So tell me what's more dangerous; a throttle cable that crosses the rear of the cockpit (which my 25SSH has done for 16 years!) or to have a throttle stick partially open.

With the "legal" throttle, the cable must exit the cockpit on the drivers side to come in at a right angle to the motor. I see a lot of loose throttle cables dangling in the open to achieve this, where a driver could get his steering, fuel line or....caught on it.

The design of the "legal" throttle also doesn't have a smooth pivoting transition when it's opened up. The angle of attack from the cable to the anchor point when it's closed is over center. It's not a good design and has flaws for smooth operation and is hard to properly set up.

Mike Bartlett