Any class for quincy a and c loopers?

[fbref5269]

hi all,

i've been reading a lot about how restored old racing engines seem to end up on land on an engine stand. i'm in the process of restoring 3 quincy c loopers and want to know where i can run them in a race. i remember reading somewhere there is a group that races 'as they were' ie whatever was legal in their day is legel in their races. is the nbra that group? if not does the nbra have a class for the a and c loopers? and feed back would be great.

frank

[sadiemydog1]

Classes

NBRA has no classes for those engines.
Art K:

[Dave M]

Special Event ?

I for one would LOVE to watch these have a run at an NBRA race. Maybe an intermission special event heat ? Hearing loopers run sure makes a weekend that much more memorable.

I would join in with some mod equipment to fill the field if needed to make a good show.

Any thoughts ?

[fbref5269]

that would be super

dave,

that would be a great idea! i knw they are not competive but they shouldn't be in a display case either. i'm waiting on getting some pistone for the first c looper then the next one will go under the wrench. let's talk about this some more.

the a looper is ready to go but it's in fla and i'm in maryland. should be up here next month sometime. bet there might be a few more members that have loopers that want to get them wet again.

it's ideas like this that will help get them on the water. it's easy to say the collectors horde them, but where can we run them. this is a start.

frank

[T Chance]

Believe it or not they are still legal in the Pro Division, but not competitive. And if the Pro division tolerates the running of that 1930's vintage Antique C-Service/C-Racing (what is a polite word for crap), maybe as a special event a batch of Loopers along with some outmoded old Konigs could be put on a schedule somewhere too.

[fbref5269]

now tim you're not lumping the looper in with the c services are you? maybe it is time to create a vintage outboard division or at least have a special event with the oldies but goodies. afterall without them where would the pro classes be today? hmmmm running the old omc's.... like i said once before, the collectors and restorers are taking hits, but where can we run them?

frank

[bill van steenwyk]

NBRA and C Loopers

I had a C looper in the late sixties and very early 70's and I seem to remember speeds in the high 70's, low 80's with mine on a hydro. This was with two blade props and boat technology of the time. Perhaps the powers that be with NBRA could figure out an equivalency formula based on speed and find a place for them in a class that runs a similar speed. Mine pulled 86HP on the Quincy dyno if the figure I was given was correct. Maybe run it with a class of similar HP. Since most of the engines run in NBRA run open stacks, the noise should not be an issue, maybe just the opposite. There was nothing like the wail of a 4 or 6 cyl looper. With modern boats, props, etc., speeds in the 85-87 MPH range should not be out of reach, if longevity was not an issue and you wanted to run on the ragged edge, RPM wise.

[fbref5269]

bill,

that would be just fine with me. the first one should be finished as soon as i get a few more parts and figure how to get the bearing out of the nose of a d quickie. i've replaced all the bearings and seals and 2 of the rods. found a nice d crank that i've put in it too. we'll see what happens. posting my progress on boatracingfacts. i am looking fr a hyrdo for thre c from the 70's. i found a nice bezoat for the a.

frank

[bill van steenwyk]

boat for C looper

Frank:

I might have just the boat for you for the C. Last run as an RB boat with speeds in the 82-85MPH range. Been stored in the garage for about 10years now and Eileen is after more room. Price would be right, depending on whether you want it with hardware or bare. E-mail me at randbenter@earthlink.net if you are further interested. Give me a phone number also if you want to discuss it.

Bill

[bh/]

Many of the APBA races here in the NE allow fly-bys by vintage i/b's and o/b's, either before racing, to open the course, or during an intermission. All one needs is a Vintage license to run, and most race directors welcome the extra entry. If one was intent on racing, they could let u run with the Dmods or FEH, but not in that class.
We often run 250PROs with FEH.
Noise will be the issue at many of the race sites, and finding time on the program.
There are also Vintage Regattas across the country that would welcome you, and your entry[ie; $$$]

[T Chance]

now tim you're not lumping the looper in with the c services are you? maybe it is time to create a vintage outboard division or at least have a special event with the oldies but goodies. afterall without them where would the pro classes be today? hmmmm running the old omc's.... like i said once before, the collectors and restorers are taking hits, but where can we run them?

frank

No, not at all. I think the Looper/Flathead is cool. I just wish I had kept at least one of mine. What I was getting at is if the Pro Division tolerates running all that old junk it should welcome vintage equipment that sounds good and goes fast. But, there are too many classes already.

[Dave M]

Noise ?

Many of the APBA races here in the NE allow fly-bys by vintage i/b's and o/b's, either before racing, to open the course, or during an intermission. All one needs is a Vintage license to run, and most race directors welcome the extra entry. If one was intent on racing, they could let u run with the Dmods or FEH, but not in that class.
We often run 250PROs with FEH.
Noise will be the issue at many of the race sites, and finding time on the program.
There are also Vintage Regattas across the country that would welcome you, and your entry[ie; $$$]

Not a problem at the NBRA races I have been to. And they also have a nice schedule that allows testing before each race and you still get out of there before 5:00 on most days. Kind of like the USTS, a well refined class structure that allows you to sell the program, have a 1:00 - 5:00 PM race and everyone has fun. No 7:00 am drivers meetings, no green flags at 8:00 am, just a bunch of folks out to put the fun back into boat racing.

[racerv24]

Too each his own. I run the old stuff. I seem toremember back in the early
80s AORA was independent, but got sucked back into the PRO's

[sadiemydog1]

NBRA Classes & Engines

To add a engine to the NBRA you must be member or have a member make the proposal. This must be done before the National meeting or at the meeting. The proposal goes to the Tech comittee for their consideration. If it passes their scrutiny, it goes before the membership present if it passes ,then on too the Race Commission if they pass it,it goes on the ballot. Members running that class only vote. I would think having served on the Tech Comittee that Quincy Loopers would have little or no chance of approval. But there is another alternative. We do have a special events. Possibly you could persuade a local club to do this at one there races. I personally would like to see your engines run again. But you would have to prove to me your serious.
Art K

[AOFoffice]

Another alternative is AOF. Your engines are welcome and already approved. We have an Antique division, called "Historical division". It is in our rulebook. Rules are: Rules of the day for the old engines. Everyone who shows can decide on the spot how they want to run their class. Combinations have been run. The Florida group in Lake Placid runs the Historical Division races most of the time, as well as the EORC at Long Island.
No hassle, just fun and a good time. Run a race or a show. You are always welcom.