I am bit confused

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Dave: the latest articles by the boating industry know-it-alls seem to suggest that the newest EPA rules will not allow the E-Techs to continue to be sold in the U.S.. This is NOT the position of Bombardier; just speculation by those who watch the industry based upon the reading of the new regulations. Ed.

Sounds like behind the closed door deals to me..Anyone ever think about running menthanol with Bean oil.

Oh Ed trying a production engine from the shelf---Did You say that????

Pat
Top Hydro Because in the end there can only be one

[BP125V]

make up your mind

Lights. This is Donny's Dad. He has a different sign on.

Don't worry about the 3 boat comment, just giving you a hard time. I hate 3 boat races also.

Don, I thought you hated 4 boat races. Now you hate 3 boat races too?!?

Bill

[csh2z]

Ed, Are you in denial about the quality and dependability of the HotRod?

[DougMc]

Do you mean that boat and prop design should not be significant elements of a successful driver within SO racing? Or just within your hypothetical class?

By extension of your thought above, should we assume that successful drivers in PRO primarlily win races due to their superior engines and boats? .

1) Yes, 2) Yes, 3) Ye$.

[14-H]

Ed, Are you in denial about the quality and dependability of the HotRod?

Whatever, John: that is no justification for the project that has been undertaken. Any problem with the dependability of the HR (& I don't agree that the HR is any less dependable than any other racing engine) could have easily been fixed by knocking a few hundred RPMs off of the performance of the current engine (ie: add 1 or 2 more cc's to the head). The entire engine did not need to be re-engineered.

The endeavor that has been undertaken is more akin to launching a missle to kill a mouse.

That's just my opinion, though. I hope Sidewinder succeeds. Don't get me wrong. Just seems like a lot of unnecessary work, expense and delay that is going to cause the engine to be more expensive in the end.

What the hell do I know, though? I'm just a stupid lawyer. Ed.

[Jeff Akers]

The EPA just recently adopted even more stringent emission rules for production outboards which the boating industry believes will all but eliminate the remaining two-stroke outboards (even the newest ones built by Bombardier) from being produced for sale in the U.S.

Manufacturers can pollute overseas: just not here. What B.S.!

Ed, could you please let me in on this "insider" information ? ( Who said what , and in what publication ? ) .........I get Boating Industry Magazine at the Bombardeier Dealership I work at and have not heard a word of this in that publication or from anyone else for that mater.....


EPA:
Ask the Bass Brothers on how to get an engine exempt from EPA.....They have done it with the Tohatsu ......Most of the outboard engine manufacterers still make and sell carbed two stokes.( although they are limmited)......It's a big world out there, and the USA is not the only market

[Cameraboy]

The endeavor that has been undertaken is more akin to launching a missle to kill a mouse.

But it was an endeavor undertaken instead of yet another band-aid approach or more hand-wringing. It was either that endeavor, what the Bass brothers are trying, or bite the 4-stroke grenade. An electrified wire up the mouse's kazoo may have been more elegant and efficient, but I haven't seen that proposal.

Paralysis by analysis, just like any other representative organization. Pot, meet kettle - kettle, meet pot.

[14-H]

Ed, could you please let me in on this "insider" information ? ( Who said what , and in what publication ? ) .........I get ***

Jeff: I think it was "Boating". Let me see if I can locate the article and, if so, I'll print it here. Ed.

[14-H]

But it was an endeavor undertaken instead of yet another band-aid approach or more hand-wringing. ***meet kettle - kettle, meet pot.

Glad you think so. As I said, I'm just a dumb attorney; don't know anything about 2cycle outboards, 'specially ones with rotary valves.

Said 'nuff already. Ed.

[ryan_4z]

I totally agree: a few minor changes to the Hot Rod and the engine could have been back in production. The effort should have been put towards building an engine for the A and J classes which do not exist and for which there is a market. Rather than doing this, however, it appears a massive effort to build a totally new engine was undertaken which, as has become apparent, is now bogged down in development.

We should be looking at totally stock engines. The problem, of course, is that the weight of these engines will obsolete all of our existing stuff. Maybe we need to look at adding one of these sit-down v-bottom runabout classes (small size) in Stock Outboard and see if it takes off.

Good luck to the new SO Chairman and SORC. I get the bird's eye view from Nov. 1 forward. Eddie.

Eddie, For someone who has been pushing for new motors in Stock Outboard for years now, it sure sounds like you are a little stuck in the past when it comes to your Hot Rod. Also, why do we need a new J motor, you keep telling us that the Mercury is readily available for that class. As far as A, I agree that we will need a motor soon, but the class seems to be doing pretty good for now, that is why Sidewinder is producing their 15 ci motor first, then tackling the A project.

Dan, Thanks for getting us started on the long winter debate season, I for one have been missing it. Like Dad said though, we will have production motors for all of our classes within a few years, that is probably the biggest reason that these other options are not being cultivated.

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Glad you think so. As I said, I'm just a dumb attorney; don't know anything about 2cycle outboards, 'specially ones with rotary valves.

Said 'nuff already. Ed.

Rotary valves can't let that slip by, if things keep going the way they are Rotary valves will be history and multy reeds will be king (ya might have to get one some day Ed about 5 to ten Stock Drivers have every year over the last 4 or so years. Come on down to Raleigh and we will get you a ride in one

Pat
Top Hydro Because in the end there can only be one
(don't tell me there to fast your a racer)

[HRTV]

Eddie, For someone who has been pushing for new motors in Stock Outboard for years now, it sure sounds like you are a little stuck in the past when it comes to your Hot Rod. Also, why do we need a new J motor, you keep telling us that the Mercury is readily available for that class. As far as A, I agree that we will need a motor soon, but the class seems to be doing pretty good for now, that is why Sidewinder is producing their 15 ci motor first, then tackling the A project.

Dan, Thanks for getting us started on the long winter debate season, I for one have been missing it. Like Dad said though, we will have production motors for all of our classes within a few years, that is probably the biggest reason that these other options are not being cultivated.

Hey Ryan, you can always count on me seriously though I still don't have an answer to my original post which is what is the reason for not putting a stock 2 stroke power head onto a universal mid section regardless of the manufacturer just pick one.

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Not sure if I have ask this question before but I am bit confused on the topic of new motors here in the states when it appears in Europe that they run several off the shelf stock long shaft outboard motors in a number of different classes All six of these photos were taken last month at race in Europe, all these motors seem to be stock long shaft motors straight from the local dealer

My point is what the hell is our problem here in the states ? is this an EPA issue or something here in the US ? Why are we not running these motors ? If they are legal motors for lake recreation in the US why not racing ? I'm still lost on this whole SideWinder Motor project seems all we need is a universal mid section and gear case, why are we reinventing the wheel when Mercury, Jon Rude and Yamaha did this 45 / 50 years ago ?

Your site is getting of track a little seems to me they race (told ya last year)
this equiptment because they can and they can buy equiptment from local dealers can't stop progress only can get in the way,wake up and smell the coffee

Pat

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[Lights]

Lights. This is Donny's Dad. He has a different sign on.

Don't worry about the 3 boat comment, just giving you a hard time. I hate 3 boat races also.

Sorry Mr. Allen, I just noticed that Donny's username is D Allen III.