New Motors...

[17W]

Ron's Info....

I would love to try and help out. What is there contact info?

thanks,
Tom

rselewach@hrmc.com

[Al Peffley]

Added Motor Comments

I am only making my opinions from the observed number of races posted by APBA for the smaller displacement Pro classes like 125cc and 175cc. The Left Coast has never held a sanction for three or four hydros or runabouts in 125cc or 175cc classes in my 13 years of racing in Region 10. I have been to DePue four times (it's been quite a while since the last time,) and I have never seen elimination heats in 125cc or 175cc classes. UIM appears to have strong participation in the OSY-400 and 0-125 classes racing, as well as 0-250 and O-500 racing.

I corrected my new "American Hotrod" B-class statement to the proper new name, "Sidewinder" in my prior post. I hope the Sidewinder family of motors does well, even though I am not attracted to those stock outboard classes of boat racing.

I have not seen the new, big-gear Rossi or VRP gear feet. What is their cost in US dollars, and how much real field operational performance information is available on them? I just know (second hand) what I have been told about pro lower units by those currently owning 350cc VRP and Rossi motors in my region. My split-case Yamato Pro foot gearboxes have worked fine for me, so far, since my motor does not have the torque of the new Rossi and VRP 350cc engines. I still would like to see a second-source, US manufacturer of dependable drive gear components instead of only the European primary sources.

Al Peffley

[sws115]

TB listen to Dan
if you do anything do that
i been looking for about 8 9 mouths now
and still don't know diddly but a universal mid would be the best thing since fiberglass or what ever
that way some poor guy like myself can buy one for his or her entire race program
but if there going to be say 3500 and up like they are now
that leaves the lower middle class out
i could cobble up something of a sst 120 now ,money is the only thing holding me back as i have none right now i just about bought one two weeks ago good thing i didn't as all the sudden business dropped like a rock
i have bought used race equipment all my adult life because that was all i was willing to spend or could afford but used is used
anyway listen to Dan

[benf27]

125 has elms at most USTS races and always at the Nats.

[Al Peffley]

New FEH Motor Update Comments

I talked to some of the Pro and Mod racers at the APBA Cullaby Lake, Oregon Regatta this weekend. They don't think a new FEH block would be popular because APBA would require at least 150 motors made by the motor supplier to be certified by APBA. Will there be 150 Sidewinders built before APBA will allow them to be certified? Are there 150 175cc motors of the same make in existence for that Pro category racing? Just asking a simple question here -- no slam intended on Sidewinder or Pro motors certification. I doubt many APBA classes have 150 ACTIVE participants (buyers) in any one single racing class (with the exception of maybe some classes like A-Stock or C-Stock.)

If a new complete gas and oil motor setup was developed for FE-level racing, wouldn't it be nice if the block, magnito ignition system, and lower unit drive system were actually designed for simplicity and easy maintenance in outboard racing, instead of primarily for fishing or recreational boating operation? Every FEH motor I have seen racing in Region 10 employs a modified motor, not a stock block or exhaust system, and it is hard to balance the old JonRudes to reduce the vibration issues at mid-range RPMs...

BTW - Thanks Ben for informing me that the 125cc's (H, R, or both?) have had elims at the Pro Nats in recent years. Unfortunately, that is not the case on the Left Coast racing circuit. The only place you see one of the 125cc racing boats out here might be at a Kilo Records run. I don't think the Europeans even run 175cc motors in their UIM racing series or World Cup events, do they?

Al Peffley

[pro350hydro]

Are their 150 175cc motors of the same make in existence for that Pro category racing?

Al,

It does not matter in Pro. In Pro you can build a custom one off motor and race it if you wish. Remember, it's all about displacement.

Sattler

[Al Peffley]

New Pro Class?

That's right, Mike! I think it would be cool to have a new, high-tech FEH-like class in Pro running aviation gas and synthetic racing oil motors at higher RPM's (sorta like the Superbike motorcycle racing class in AMA.) I am tired of running cobbled-together stuff...

What do y'all think of that idea?

Al

[pro350hydro]

How many classes do we need?

That's right, Mike! I think it would be cool to have a new, high-tech FEH-like class in Pro running aviation gas and synthetic racing oil motors at higher RPM's (sorta like the Superbike motorcycle racing class in AMA.) I am tired of running cobbled-together stuff...

What do y'all think of that idea?

Al

Al,

I think we have enough pro classes as it is. There is a class for everyone already. As far as motors go, we have plenty of new motors which are not cobbled togethor.

Also, a three cylinder like a OMC FEH motor already runs gas and oil. But these motors will not hold togethor @ high rpms like a pro motor. If have have ever seen inside you will understand why this it. Remember these were built as fishing motors, not race motors.

Sattler

[PETEG]

TOM
PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL AT PGRYSK@AOL.COM AS I HAVE SOME IDEAS AND I WOULD BE VERY ANXIOUS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND YOUR INTEREST IN BUILDING A "NEW" ENGINE. WHERE IS YOU SHOP? I THINK A PERSON TO PERSON MEETING COULD BE VERY PRODUCTIVE

[tborisch]

Peteg- Ygm!

[David Weaver]

Already Tried This

That's right, Mike! I think it would be cool to have a new, high-tech FEH-like class in Pro running aviation gas and synthetic racing oil motors at higher RPM's (sorta like the Superbike motorcycle racing class in AMA.) I am tired of running cobbled-together stuff...

What do y'all think of that idea?

Al

I believe something along these lines was attempted a couple of years ago, but had no real interest behind it. We have more than enough classes that would allow a person to experiment away and build his/her own engines from scrath or modify something that exists. THe challenge is getting these engines to competitive speed with consistnent performance. But, maybe that is the fun also for some!!

[T Chance]

As Pro motors get faster-and-faster I can see a day in the future when the capsule classes go off by themselves. And the Pro Division consisting of Three motor sizes. 1. A 100 c.c. single cylinder. 2. A 200 c.c. two cylinder. And, 3. a 300 c.c. four cylinder. With 70, 85, and 100 mph speeds.

You'll notice I didn't mention the Antique portion of the Pro Division (The Speeditwins, P-50's, PR's and whatnot). Because I think the Smithsonian is going to use eminent domain and blight them all and put them in museums where they belong.

[pro350hydro]

You'll notice I didn't mention the Antique portion of the Pro Division (The Speeditwins, P-50's, PR's and whatnot). Because I think the Smithsonian is going to use eminent domain and blight them all and put them in museums where they belong.

This should have happened YEARS ago.

[Steve Johnson]

See ya at depue

The more whining about the PR classes , the more and longer I will TEST

FYI NO SPOUSE APPROVAL to go any faster than My D-MOD

[pro350hydro]

The more whining about the PR classes , the more and longer I will TEST

FYI NO SPOUSE APPROVAL to go any faster than My D-MOD

LOL Good one. It's all in fun