Feedback Please

[Charlie Pater]

John, Mercury is a different situation. They at different times openly did not support racing and other times they did. Mercury was not consistent in there support. Yamato and the vendors that supply Yamato parts have been consistent to bring to market parts and motors.

I have been involved in several commercial products that were from new suppliers and have myself brought to market new products. Some of the products have tremendous market acceptance at trade shows and I could sell 1,000s of then but the manufacturer could not consistently supply a quality product. I am not suggesting that new Hot Rods will not be available or their quality will be inferior. I am indicating that we need to have proof by actual experience with production motors before so many eggs are put in the Hot Rod basket.

On the other hand, Yamato and the vendors that supply Yamato motors and parts have a history of quality products being available. To take classes away from such a supplier in my mind is not a good idea. Taking classes away from good suppliers sends the wrong message. I am not forgetting the other suppliers that are trying to make quality products - they should also be provided a level playing field.

I do believe the committee is biased. I get that indication from reading Hydroracer and from speaking with others in the racing community.

Charlie Pater

[wdlong1226]

john

i don,t know about anyone else.but i cant wait for the new motors.knowing what i,m getting right out of the box is a good thing.because what ive bought from other people ain,t always what you think it is.AND no racer will ever sell you his good stuff.

[seanp3]

time will tell

Charlie

what I'm hearing from John is the current plan isn't cut in stone yet. I hope this to be true. I'm happy with the Yamato right now and hope it isn't cut out of a class before its time. I do appreciate a place such as hydroracer where voices can be expressed to those who come up with these plans and hear what the racers want. And I'm hearing it from both sides - we do need new the motors, however, don't take away the Yamato while it is still competetive and available. It sounds like there will need to be a parity commitee soon for these two motors. I know this is a little premature since the SW isn't quite available, but I say let em run together for awhile.

[L. Allen]

I don't feel like reading the article. Anyone care to summarize for me?

[csh2z]

now here is a good question on the new sidewinder motors. As we are stock outboard racing, our we going to go back to the original idea as out of the box racing with no mod's done to the motor? I think this is what has really hurt a lot of racers that can't afford blue printing and lower unit work. If it is to be stock outboard racing, set into effect that you may not touch this motors at all making in fun on the race course with a close feild of racing.

The goal is to keep all new motors bone stock. All these motors are expected to come out virtually identical with very tight tolerances on all parts. So in essense they are already blueprinted, including replacement parts.

[ryan_4z]

John, Mercury is a different situation. They at different times openly did not support racing and other times they did. Mercury was not consistent in there support. Yamato and the vendors that supply Yamato parts have been consistent to bring to market parts and motors.

I have been involved in several commercial products that were from new suppliers and have myself brought to market new products. Some of the products have tremendous market acceptance at trade shows and I could sell 1,000s of then but the manufacturer could not consistently supply a quality product. I am not suggesting that new Hot Rods will not be available or their quality will be inferior. I am indicating that we need to have proof by actual experience with production motors before so many eggs are put in the Hot Rod basket.

On the other hand, Yamato and the vendors that supply Yamato motors and parts have a history of quality products being available. To take classes away from such a supplier in my mind is not a good idea. Taking classes away from good suppliers sends the wrong message. I am not forgetting the other suppliers that are trying to make quality products - they should also be provided a level playing field.

I do believe the committee is biased. I get that indication from reading Hydroracer and from speaking with others in the racing community.

Charlie Pater

If we really wanted to support Yamato as a supplier, and the Yamato vendors, we would drop the 102 for the 302 in C stock.

[csh2z]

I don't feel like reading the article. Anyone care to summarize for me?

Laurie, That's lazy! Would you be able to reserve the time in your busy schedule to listen to an audio cassette version? I could have Ryan record it in his sexiest voice, with perhaps a little Springsteen backround music for your enjoyment. You could sit back, put your feet up, close your eyes and let your mind gently drift in and out of consciousness as you absorb the meaning of every spoken word. Of course, if you have a waterproof cassette player the door is open to many other possibilities.

[Joe J]

If all the motors will in fact be in this condition, why not have a claiming rule on them?

Joe Johnson

The goal is to keep all new motors bone stock. All these motors are expected to come out virtually identical with very tight tolerances on all parts. So in essense they are already blueprinted, including replacement parts.

[csh2z]

If all the motors will in fact be in this condition, why not have a claiming rule on them?

Joe Johnson

Joe, That concept just hasn't been discussed, maybe we'll discuss it!

[csh2z]

Will race committees provide extra time for people who want to swap pistons and blocks so they can run different classes with the same base motor like they currently do with restrictor plates? Being able to run three classes with one motor would be pretty nice...

Donny, Personally, I'm considering buying one complete motor for BSH and a complete powerhead for 15SSH. Even I can change a powerhead, six nuts, throttle cable, fuel line and prop. You can do many kinds of 2 or 3 class combinations without too much more investment. Kind of like the concept of powerhead racing on a universal tower, all supplied from the same source.

[drbyrne55]

Good concept ......

Donny, Personally, I'm considering buying one complete motor for BSH and a complete powerhead for 15SSH. Even I can change a powerhead, six nuts, throttle cable, fuel line and prop. You can do many kinds of 2 or 3 class combinations without too much more investment. Kind of like the concept of powerhead racing on a universal tower, all supplied from the same source.

That's the same reason we newbies want to see the 302 continued in 20SSH as to support our buying 3 302's.

[L. Allen]

"Laurie, That's lazy! Would you be able to reserve the time in your busy schedule to listen to an audio cassette version? I could have Ryan record it in his sexiest voice, with perhaps a little Springsteen backround music for your enjoyment. You could sit back, put your feet up, close your eyes and let your mind gently drift in and out of consciousness as you absorb the meaning of every spoken word. Of course, if you have a waterproof cassette player the door is open to many other possibilities.
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John Runne
2-Z"

John,

Now that's more like it~! Can we burn incense too?

Actually I tried to get the link but all I got was blah blah Sidewinder blah blah
SORC blah Mercury, blah blah Yamato and blah blah Bass Tohatsu.
(Plus, I thought everyone would jump to give me their version.) Anyway, I'm for whatever makes you go faster. WWRRD?

[Charlie Pater]

Joe J - Claiming would be very interesting if it was for both the motor AND propeller.

[ryan_4z]

Laurie, I just booked a flight to Quincy. I'm coming up tommorow to read it to you in person.

[L. Allen]

I'm down with that! Charge my American Express card. And bring the Springsteen.