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    This is based on the Region 5 thread - I didn't want to highjack it anymore than it already was. If you want the background - go read that thread & come back.

    A couple things on APBA insurance.

    1st - there are more and more drivers who race and do not have primary insurance. One can only guess that if it gets too bad, the rest of us will suffer (either by shouldering more and more of the cost until clubs can't afford to put on a race or APBA's insurance getting fed up). This is something that we as racers need to address. Everybody is always complaining about the long day of racing - lower the cost of putting on a race and clubs will not have to schedule so many classes to cover expenses. Insurance in the #1 cost of putting on a race. Cut that in 1/2 and you have a ton of room, dollars wise, to do alot of other things. Maybe mandating secondary medical for all drivers - not through your employer (try going to your HR Dept and asking for a Certificate of Insurance with somebody named as an additional insurance so you can ride around on a 4X8 sheet of wood at 60 mph, with 12 other persons of questionable sanity. That will go over well). Maybe something like Mason mentioned. (Dave - please get more info on that program and post if you can.)

    2nd - I have never raced AOF (and this is not a knock against them or anyone else - I have heard they do a good job with everything they do, just haven't had the oppurtunity) but one of the great things APBA does is handle their Insurance.
    In 04, I was in a wreck at Lockhaven, where I was transported to the hospital and treated. I told everyone I was in a boating accident (read non racing) and my primary insurance picked up most of the cost. It did not cover the meatwagon ride, deductable, etc. I sent the bills to ASI and they handled everything. Very professional - no questions.
    My daughter slammed her thumb in the motorhome door at the 05 Mod Nats at Franklin. I took her to get Xrays and had my primary insurance to cover it and I paid the deductable. I submitted an inccodent report just as a FYI. 1 yr later, I got a call from K&K that during an internal audit, they found out my insurance co dropped the ball and had not paid the bill and it was going to collection. I would have never known until too late to fix it. K&K handled it, no problem - I didn't even get a chance to take care of the bill, they just did it. (And I don't think they weren't even APBA's insurance co at the time of the injury).

    My points are:
    1 - APBA and their Insurance Co does a great job taking care of it's drivers, bar none.
    2 - We as drivers need to step up and handle our business. We all have ideas on how to better the sport, add new motors, etc. We want lower costs, more water time and shorter days, but one of the biggest factors that create these higher cost and long days (ie Insurance Cost), we ignore. Driver Insurance should rank as high, if not higher, than some of the other stuff.
    Last edited by Brian10s; 02-26-2007, 02:34 PM.
    Brian 10s

  • #2
    Thanks...

    Brian,
    Thanks for starting a new thread on Insurance. I plan on checking limits of coverage on my PPO...


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    • #3
      health insurance - AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

      I'm on COBRA. My policy # even has an "NC" prefix to indicate I am located in North Carolina. But I recently discovered that my COBRA is near useless in NC. Even though I'm paying for full tilt coverage - close to a grand a month - COBRA only pays a percentage of my Rxs and for emergency room service. Wanna visit the doc? So sad, too bad, you're SOL. Check into the hospital (not via the ER) and yuou better bring your checkbook `cause COBRA ain't paying diddly squat even though I'm charged for a full coverage plan! Can you spell F-R-A-U-D?

      Of course if I happen to bang myself up at a race the ER visit would be covered and APBA might kick in for secondary insurance if needed, and if the APBA insurance felt like it. Unlike Brian, my experiance has been at least three submissions to APBA race insurance before they cough up a few bucks.
      carpetbagger

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      • #4
        Membership

        Brian's post raises a very important point. He mentions the incident where his minor daughter was injured and APBA's insurance paid for some of the expenses. This is true for minor children of APBA members. BUT IT IS NOT TRUE OF ANY OTHER PERSON, FAMILY OR NOT, WHO IS NOT AN APBA MEMBER. So if you are regularly bringing someone else to the races, you should have that person buy an associate's membership which is $35.00 per year (I believe). If they get hurt at an APBA event, they'll have $20,000.00 in medical insurance (to the extent not covered by other medical insurance). But if you're not an APBA member, you get no medical insurance coverage even though you may be injured at an APBA event.

        It is a great benefit, but you have to be an APBA member to get it.

        Ed Hearn.
        14-H

        "That is NOT why people hate me." - 14-H.

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        • #5
          ....no insurance what ifs

          Some of us get a little flipant about the perils of our sport.My first of two up and over tricks at Ocoee occurred during testing.As big as that event was,itwas non-the-less "test at your own risk" session.I came to looking up at the ceiling light in the ambulance.The hospital bills at the Orlando trauma center were over $18,000 ! Our insurance paid everything...as if no one noticed the "raceboat" involvement. Sans insurance, that bill would have put me,and I'm sure most average boat racers,in a serious financial quandry. We don't plan on getting hurt,but stuff happens. The outrageous part of the whole equation is the fact that once a facility finds out you have coverage they make sure to perform every test known to the industry to get enough money to compensate for the many ER visitors who have no insurance.This is probably the reason that insurance is so costly. I doubt if this is a solvable problem. In my case,APBA insurance has been unscathed by my three costly mis-adventures in boat racing. If they had been paying on my behalf,I'm sure the cost per event would be higher than it is now ! 8-N

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          • #6
            My insurance man says im covered

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            • #7
              Get It In Writing

              Originally posted by kws View Post
              My insurance man says im covered
              Kip,

              Get in writing from a high level manager at your provider then. Your Sales Rep will tell you anything to get you to buy a policy. I have heard of a few incidents where they say you are covered racing, but not in writing. They were not covered.

              I will mention this thread to Shaun and see if he wants to post some info on his supplemental.
              Dave Mason
              Just A Boat Racer

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              • #8
                Read Your Policy

                Most people don't take the time to do this and only find out after it is too late. Read your policy of insurance or plan booklet to see if there is any exclusion for organized sporting events or competition. Even if you have it in writing from the CEO of the insurance company, it will not do any good if you have an exclusion.

                BTW: It's still a good idea to report to the docs and EMT's that it was a "boating accident" so as to not draw attention to your hobby. Even if there is no exclusion, they could drop you after a claim. Ed.
                14-H

                "That is NOT why people hate me." - 14-H.

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                • #9
                  While Ed and I seldom agree, he is absolutely right that you should make any claims as a boating accident, NOT a boat racing accident. Boat racing is such an obscure activity that the claims people won't even think of boat racing when you make claims for your broken arm or whatever. You are being accurate and truthful in your statement that it was a boating accident.

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