Is 45SS a Stock class?

[mrlou40]

Truth is, GOOD BOAT RACING doesn't require driving 3,000 miles...

another good reason not to drive to Bakersfield......

[rossdbos]

Then why have a "National" point system. Why have a Winternationals or Summer Nationals that moves around? Is your argument is that it is better to stay in your region because there is great racing in your backyard? I guess I don't understand the point of the posting?
Please ellaborate.
Thanks,
Ross

[Dr. Thunder]

Truth is, GOOD BOAT RACING doesn't require driving 3,000 miles...

another good reason not to drive to Bakersfield......

However, GREAT BOAT Racing does ...

DePue, Wakefield, Whitney Point, Bakersfield and ... MOSES LAKE!!!

[mercguy]

Wrong!!!

Truth is, GOOD BOAT RACING doesn't require driving 3,000 miles...

another good reason not to drive to Bakersfield......

the long drive is worth it, going to a great boat race, such as back east or Bakersfield!!! It is not just the racing, but the spirit of meeeting with old friends at these distant races.

[HRTV]

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[mrlou40]

the long drive is worth it, going to a great boat race, such as back east or Bakersfield!!! It is not just the racing, but the spirit of meeeting with old friends at these distant races.

Darren, actually you are right on the button, I guess my point was directed at Ron, as the way I read his post he doesn't see the need to drive to the nats in Washington this year.

Not to bash you here Ron as I know how much you do for the sport, I was just very surprised in your remark and sad that you would say something like that.

Thats all folks.

Carl
94-R

[jpro60]

I also agree with Gomer and disagree with that other kid , I think the break we get with the 45's is nice

Hey, to tell the truth I agree with both you and Darren. I was just playing devils advocate, probably because my past debate experience made that little voice crop up saying I should.

I will however say that I DO NOT mind the class at all, I think its kind of cool to have around actually. I just think its kind of confusing that tunnel boats, which are unlike any other stock class, and exactly like every other OPC class, are considered in the SO category. I understand that they use stock motors, but so do all the other OPC classes for the most part, so why shouldn't say SST120 be a stock class too???

Mike 32-R

[Joe J]

I could be mistaken, as this all happened almost 20 years ago. But if I remember correctly, the OPC division was not interested in the 45 class when the motor first came out.

I believe that Ernie Dawe did some testing with it on a runabout, and it was decided that it was too strong, and this is where a "Tunnel" type boat entered into the picture, as it was the only boat design that could handle the 45 engine.

It has been in the division ever since. Gordie Miller may well be able to confirm this.

Joe

[Jason Diamond]

When??

Hey, I don't really mind 45's being in stock... I don't get it, but I don't mind it.
As far as the question of how does it hurt, I'll play devils advocate real quick. I do think it kind of hurts not the category, but the outboard race day. That is to say that outboard races are already a crunch as is to fit everything in and throwing 45's in the mix doesn't help matters. What I have observed at races in Washington is that it takes a large portion of the day to run the 45's. You have to completely clear all of the other boats from the ramp, then launch the 45's one at a time (a slow process) wait for them all to get launched, then run their two heats, then go through the entire one at a time process to get them back out.
All I'm really trying to say is that running 45's takes up a chunk of the day that I'm not sure needs to be taken up.

Mike 32-R

Mike,

When have you had to wait for the 45's? Actually the last time we raced with the club, we waited for "the club" to be ready to run us. All boats were launched, drivers straped in and waiting. Then we ran back to back heats, giving up the opportunity to make changes or repairs, and were at the end of a flight with no other classes to follow us for about 20 min. But you are right about having to get the boats out one at a time on a narrow ramp, but really, that can be more entertaining to watch than 7-8 hours of A's and Yamatos running over and over.

Jason Diamond

[jpro60]

Thanks for the clarification

Joe, thanks for the clarification, that makes a lot more sense now.
Jason, I'm not saying its bad, in fact I like watching the 45's and I'm sure that they'd be great to watch with a full field. I was just making the point for the sake of making the point.

Mike

[deanwilson]

All of this is a bit premature and overblown. First of all this is like 8 mos away and there really hasn't been alot of info put out there. I don't think anyone in So Cal has told us what the specific dates are so there's alot of time still left for planning. Just as some are still planning bonzai runs to Bakersfield in Feb, which is only 2 months away. Contrary to the impression from Ron, nobody said they wouldn't go. Also, I'm fairly certain that the So Cal contingent is not going to be the bulk of your entries, even if we all showed up. There's just as many 45ss boats in Regs 10 & 11. Finally, nobody is asking for special treatment in the scheduling. It's just a factor we can't ignore and communicating that to the conducting club is all we can do to make our best effort to come. The reason the issue is raised is because we ARE interested in racing with you'all. Keep in mind, we are about 150 miles south of Bakersfield. So for us Seattle is like going to St Louis or Chicago. How many times was scheduling coordinated between the Stock Nat'ls and Depue to allow 20ssh & csh guys to come and race OSY over the past 15 years?? What's the difference?? Who cares?? I can assure all of you there were several times that I gladly made accomodations for classes coming to Nationals and Winternationals from long distances when I ran the Bakersfield races because everybody deserves the opportunity to run for those titles.
Can't everybody just get along?

[Ron Hill]

We're Getting Along....

In OPC, you usually have one boat, one trailer.

Sport C gets Marathon Points in APBA and they get short course points.

Kneeldowns, laydowns, inboards and PWS can be scheduled where or when you want....

What my point WAS and IS: Kneeldowns kneel. Sit downs sit.

If APBA POWERS TO BE or POWERS THAT ARE (Maybe US), could move 45SS out of Stock Outboards and Change 45 rules to Marathon and closed course points, like Sport C. And OPC could MAYBE add a Marathon Championships...

I would OPC to have a Series Points (Marathon) and Short Course (Clock Starts).

Questions:

1. Did 45SS have a WiNTER NATIONALS IN 2006?
2. When is the last time 45SS ran at the Closed Course Stock Nationals.
3. Has 45SS ever run at Top of Michigan?

ADD: About one boat, one trailer: In 1956, I was 12 and I ran AU and in 1957 I ran AU. After, 1957, I never went to a NATIONALS AND RACED just one class. I usually ran, CU and DU, but did run DSH several times, enough to get three seconds...to Clark Maloof twice...My last Stock Nationals, I ran CU, DU, 35SSR, DSH, 35SSH....JU\ust a long ass haul to run 6 laps...If we had a stacker trailer, we could bring two boats..but we don't...But as Dean said, we have 8 months....maybe, we could build a stacker by then...

[Jason Diamond]

Status Of Northwest 45ss class

After much hard work by region 10 drivers and owners of 45 equipment, the class is on the rebound. We have added two new rigs from out of region to our list of regular entries. One two boat team has purchased a third hull that was for sale to be sure that it didn't leave the area! They plan to field the boat with different drivers to build interest in the class. With that said, region 10 will have a minimum of six entries that will race the stock nationals. That does not include any series racers that live in the state who may want to run at the nationals. So we are talking about six other entries to make a full field. In my opinion this upcoming nationals will be just fine as far as boat count goes, if we get just a little help from out of region racers.

Jason Diamond

[mercguy]

maybe............

After much hard work by region 10 drivers and owners of 45 equipment, the class is on the rebound. We have added two new rigs from out of region to our list of regular entries. One two boat team has purchased a third hull that was for sale to be sure that it didn't leave the area! They plan to field the boat with different drivers to build interest in the class. With that said, region 10 will have a minimum of six entries that will race the stock nationals. That does not include any series racers that live in the state who may want to run at the nationals. So we are talking about six other entries to make a full field. In my opinion this upcoming nationals will be just fine as far as boat count goes, if we get just a little help from out of region racers.

Jason Diamond

I might so "tempted" to run a 45 at the SO Nat's this year!

[mercguy]

In OPC, you usually have one boat, one trailer.

Sport C gets Marathon Points in APBA and they get short course points.

Kneeldowns, laydowns, inboards and PWS can be scheduled where or when you want....

What my point WAS and IS: Kneeldowns kneel. Sit downs sit.

If APBA POWERS TO BE or POWERS THAT ARE (Maybe US), could move 45SS out of Stock Outboards and Change 45 rules to Marathon and closed course points, like Sport C. And OPC could MAYBE add a Marathon Championships...

I would OPC to have a Series Points (Marathon) and Short Course (Clock Starts).

Questions:

1. Did 45SS have a WiNTER NATIONALS IN 2006?
2. When is the last time 45SS ran at the Closed Course Stock Nationals.
3. Has 45SS ever run at Top of Michigan?

ADD: About one boat, one trailer: In 1956, I was 12 and I ran AU and in 1957 I ran AU. After, 1957, I never went to a NATIONALS AND RACED just one class. I usually ran, CU and DU, but did run DSH several times, enough to get three seconds...to Clark Maloof twice...My last Stock Nationals, I ran CU, DU, 35SSR, DSH, 35SSH....JUst a long ass haul to run 6 laps...If we had a stcker trailer, we could bring two boats..but we don't...But as Dean said, we have 8 months....maybe, we could build a stacker by then...

Ron, you might want to ask Ernie about your 3 questions.............