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I see on the APBA site that there is a new proposed gas rule that carries a rather stiff penalty. This beggs a question or two. If the rule does not state the criteria and cannot be tested at the race site, how can the person buying gas at a pump be reasonably sure he is getting legal fuel and if not legal, how can he/she be held accountable. I understand the intent, but how can one see ahead of the race that their fuel is within standard? Also, when will this proposed rule go into effect? Anyone know the particulars on this?
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Jack, where did you get the idea . . .
that "fair and reasonable" was part of the APBA's mission plan?carpetbagger -
This rule is not about legal gas but about banned substances. Alcohol that the refiners are putting in gas is not on the banned list, so you can buy gas that is not legal but does not have any of the banned stuff in it. If you fail the banned substances test you put the bad stuff in your fuel. The stuff that is being banned we dont want on the race course or in the pits. This stuff will hurt you. The people that are using this fuel ,know what they are putting in thier gas. If you use pump gas or racing gas you will not have any problems.Comment
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Could You Give A Link To The Proposed Rule Please I Didnt Find It
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Cut & paste
Let's just cut and paste, there isn't that much to the rule or the list:
APBA BULLETIN
Thursday, June 8, 2006
Important information to all racers from APBA Headquarters:
Proposed Gasoline General Safety Rule:
The following substances are forbidden to be present in gasoline for health and safety reasons during any APBA event:
1. Acrylonitrile
2. Aminodiphenyl
3. Aniline
4. Benzene
5. Benzidine
6. Beryllium compounds
7. Bromine compounds
8. Chloromethyl ether
9. Chlorine compounds
10. Ethylene oxide
11. Hydrazine compounds
12. Manganese compounds
13. Nitrobenzene
14. Nitrochlorobenzene
15. Nitrogen compounds
16. Nitrodiphenyl
17. Propylene oxide
18. Tert Butyl toluene
If concentrations of any of these substances greater than that allowed in commercial gasoline by the current EPA upper limits are found in a gasoline sample, the penalty will be a disqualification from the race and a two-year suspension. A second offense will result in a life-time suspension.
Jeff Titus, APBA Chief InspectorLast edited by sam; 06-12-2006, 04:38 PM.Comment
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#'s 9 & 15 are vague, redundant or both; they should be omitted or clarifiedComment
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Don, your posting says the items are banned but the proposed rule says the items must not exceed a certain level. These two are not the same. What are the levels. Can they be tested for before the race and what about the guy that innocently gets some gas at a service station that exceed the limit. It may help if the limits were provided. Also ,as pointed out, some of the items are so vague that they are meaningless. I believe the whole issue needs a little more work! The road to hell is paved with good intentions.Comment
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I read . . .
concentrations . . . "greater than that allowed in commercial gasoline by the current EPA upper limits" So, lacking a gas spectrophotometer as part of your trailer toys, you must *trust* our commercial gasolene suppliers of pump gas to adhere to the law. You know, *trust* the coporate folks who made a bazillion bucks profit last year after Katrina but denied they were gouging.
Yes, me be a cynic . . .carpetbaggerComment
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Benzene and the so called daughters of benzene are contained in gasoline.
while benzene is a by product of the refining process. it is still contained in nearly all fuels. the newer "cracking" processes recombine heavier byproducts
and lighter byproducts (ie. benzene and other solvents with sludge ) to make more fuel.
(they dont just dump solvents and sludge together and stir then call it fuel)
but the intense heat and presures in the cracking process makes this feasible.
I dont think it was Don's wording, he refered to the heading about banned substances. while at the bottom of the proposed rule it said above epa guidelines.Comment
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lol I am with you on this one Bill. These are the same companys that convinced the epa that MTBE's were good oxygenating additives. so they could get rid of them. even though they knew how bad they were. then began lobbying for protection from liability due to their use. they already knew they could not contain it in tanks. then managed to get it spread out everywhere instead of just their facilitys. btw they SU*K as far as oxygenators alsoOriginally posted by Bill HusonComment
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OPC rule
This is the rule for the OPC category, if you notice at the bottom it was signed by Jeff Titus. The Stock did NOT and I think the Mod commission did NOT put in the stiff penalties the for the offences other than DQ for the race. Calm down Jack
nothing is really new except you ARE allowed to use race gas.
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not sure who did the convincing on MTBEs
but they sure made the fuel smell funny, and produced many wild tales - like one dude who claimed MTBE enhanced fuel cut his mileage from 30 mpg to less than 20mpg!!! I told him to get his dang car fixed, or buy a Dodge because niether one of my Dodge trucks noticed a diff betwixt summer gas and winter MTBE gas.
But I still think the best "fuel rule" is "fuel of the day." Inspector obtains sample from mearby gas stations and uses those as a baseline, AND informs the drivers which stations have been declared legal suppliers. If a driver shows up with 5 gallon cans of "Dr Smoke's Speshul Blend" and gets booted, tough. Of course there's always lube oil. Look for the trailer where the adjacent tree leaves and grass are withering and you can bet that trailer has some means chems on board.carpetbaggerComment
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my source for the convincing comes from the epa press releases when they said it would be used as an additive. they seemed a bit proud of the fact that BOC (big oil companys) spent the money on the studies so they didnt have too but that could of been spin tooComment
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silly me it took me a while to figure out why some seem very concerned (checked their mix 2 or three times) while unless we bought gas with alcohol we are way legal.
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I was not aware that I was not calm. I'm calm as can be. I just have a somewhat difficult time dealing with rules that don't really tell you what the rule is. I guess we are to just trust those that make these decisions and blindly plod along. Well good luck!Comment
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