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Instead of standardizing the chassis and driving up expense you add the purposely ambiguous rule that I outlined earlier allowing the commission to disqualify any piece of equipment that is determined to upset competitive balance. This takes out any incentive to try and gain advantage, because any advantage could be eventually rescinded. Require a 90% consensus vote at the annual meeting only so it does not get silly. Competitive balance is to hard to define, its like porn... you know it when you see it. This would be the easiest, least disruptive and least expensive way to insure that the class is cost controlled and competitively balanced.
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Really you think this is the answer to this ---- The commission cant agree on any topic in the past 30 years at a 90 percent rate. COME ON MAN!
The commissions are all friends of friends and have always choose to protection rules over big picture issues, tunnel vision is common in all commission within APBA. It's been proven over and over that there are the select few that allow or disallow rules within and if the select few don't want it it wont happen!!
Enjoy the ride!
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Why do I get the feeling in following this thread here that some of the current boat parade established
leaders are Extremely freighted of a real and level playing field with fierce competition !
Regards,
PaulLast edited by Original Looper 1; 01-17-2018, 05:30 PM.Comment
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If my point wasnt clear enough, this thread is standing as proof.
I make a post saying that constant CHANGE is a problem. And now everyone is in this thread is starting to talk about changing 300H, outlawing boats, proposing definitions, whatever.
None of that is going to get a new guy in a boat.
Seriously. Its frightening that you all would want to change something about a class that is considerate such a success like 300H. I understand that Terry has won many races in 300, But i have also seen him lose. Put enough effort in and you will be where he is.
If the 300H class is a rookie class, should we have a Veteran class also? Perhaps racing a minimum amount of time to compete in CSH?
With 300 being alive and well, maybe we should talk about whats happening with the B classes. And why the way the proposals are setup as of now are only setting this class up for even more changes in the future. These changes will not get people into the sport of Stock Outboard period.Comment
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After reading and absorbing all these posts I have come to the same conclusion . If I was a new guy considering making the jump into 300 (as I did 5 yrs ago ) I would probably run not walk away from this . Those of us that have been around for a while realize that this is Hydrowhiner and there are guys here that will argue that the earth is flat but , if getting new people is our mission all this is counterproductive . -
I think the issue with some of the classes growth has to simply do with money. New drivers will naturally flock to where the numbers are, i.e. the C classes as they are the biggest ones. It's also the class that is promoted to new drivers. Additionally, A and B boats are smaller and usually slower (generally speaking). I already hear plenty of conversation about being overweight in C boats simply because the driver is 200 pounds. Why would they want to buy a an even smaller boat that costs just as much as a C boat only to be even more over weight (read as: not as competitive). If truth be told, a lot of drivers in the C classes are probably better suited in a D class, but those are way more expensive. I think that's why C is where it is in terms of number of drivers. It's the best bang for the buck and can accommodate heavier drivers for the most part.
I don't think that's the sole reason, but certainly it's an influence.
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Brandon, see if you can make the next Marine Racing Club meeting. We are starting to discuss a series for our races, prize money, and trying to get more folks to participate in our Driving Schools. It would be great to get your input!
Check the Marine Racing Club page on FB for meeting details.Comment
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Pav not to thread jump but seriously think through. The adding prize money concept. It will change what makes boat racing special and what lured me into it. I have pretty much raced everything with a engine except planes. Stock/Mod outboard is unique in the sportsmanship and comerodery. I have never seen anything like that. I understand you once ran for money. But I feel you dangle a $100 bill all will change.
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Paul, I have started as many new racers in the sport as anyone posting. The changes I brought up indonthinknwould be good for the sport as a whole and not just 300.
You are right about B classes, the proposals will change very little. The real problem with B is that the engine is $5k and has been hard to get vs. a Yamato at $3,500 and more readily available. Compound that with the fact the B class is extremely regional. You are selling a more expensive product that requires a unique skill (rolling up) and can only be used regionally. I sell for a living and I can’t sell that, unless it’s a 18 year old that’s 145 or less and even that scenario is more likely to race A. Kyle Bahl tried to get B going on the left coast and it didn’t take, but earlier in this thread someone commented that veterans on the West coast are starting to adopt 300.
These issues are all tied together. By trying to please everyone, SO upsets everyone a little bit and slowly contributes to its own decline. I firmly believe that until SO can produce the resolve to rip the band aide and seriously change the class structure it will continue to struggle. It’s tough, but a step backward may be the only way to go forward.
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Dean, you listed the only hurdle the B class has, the engine. Specifically, the availability.
Aside from that, rolling up really isnt this unattainable skill. A challenge? sure. But not one that is impossible to learn and not one that isnt sellable.
Im 180# running a 115# 30 year old boat, and im on weight. Were so quick to push people into a Yamato powered rig and really, these people are missing out on one of the best rides we have to offer. Yes, it may be regional, but thats due to the engine and history of the class ( im referring to the hot rod) Frankly, I can see that being a hard sell, but now we have a newly manufactured engine that works. The class is more sellable now than it ever was.
If I recall, the west coast is attempting to move 300 into the place where they had their "novice C" class. I can understand why the West Coast wouldnt want to add any more classes to their schedule, from the sounds of it they have plenty to get through in a weekend.
Is there really an issue with our class structure? One with such severity that we need to discuss gutting it and rebuilding it from the ground up every single off season? As a new(er) guy, this is becoming a serious drag.. The class structure is fine as it is.
And if the step backward is not the way forward, then all that is achieved is pissed off members and people leaving.
-Brandon
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Brandon,
Would you guys consider having a roll up at one of our Driving Schools? Could you (and maybe Cooper and others) help teach people how to roll up a BSR?
We typically use a CSH, but I'm pretty sure the Club would be very open to having a BSR in the school. I can't roll up a runabout, so we would need some better drivers to help out!Comment
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I think some on this thread or forum need to step back and take a deep breathe. A lot of the discussion on this forum is just that, discussion. Ideas that are unique and may have merit in a perfect world. Realistically, I don't want to see any changes to any current classes!
I do agree with you Brandon, a lot of this talk doesn't help with getting new drivers in boats and racing. The only thing I've seen work in the 35 years I've raced is driver schools and individuals getting those they know into boats. Its an uphill battle but it does work!
Finally, don't let the noise/discussions on here get you upset! Again, its just discussion. Work with Mike, Bill and all of MRC to help them improve their Driver School. They are good guys who truly want to get new people racing as it seems you do too. Best of luck!Joe Silvestri
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I just want people here to like me, this is just all talk nothing will ever change,
the bigger picture of the future of boat racing is not an issue let's all just put on a happy face and as Ron Hill says circle the drain together and when we
all go down the drain together let's all just blame Obama and the liberals because we all know it was not our collective fault !
Happy face and trails to you drain buddies !
Regards,
Paul
PS,
When the crazy patients run the insane asylum never forget they have the most experience !
We know how well that works in our Criminal Controlled Congress !
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whats going to happen when and if Trump puts the 35% import tax on the importing of yamatos into the USA? only thing left will be mercury 44 mods!
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Just a couple of questions about 300SSH.
What does a sealed 300 motor sell for?
Who has a motor in stock?
When will they be in stock?
Does it run a factory, non shaped foot?
Was it approved to drill the tower?
I was talking about this today with someone thinking about the class and I didn't have the answers.
Tim
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$3000ish
I don't know, check with TJ or Rick Montoya
TJ or Rick would know
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Yes
Dane Lance
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