Reconsider your BSR rules...

[race4kaos]

I would like the SO commission to reconsider your BSR rule made a few years back to eliminate side fin boats in 'your' class.

Reasons:
1. If the new B motor becomes popular and they want to race it West of the Mississippi, they may have a hard time finding boats to put it on with all the Sorensens, Dawecrafts, Zorkins out there.
2. I will bet several BSR drivers at the Wakefield Nationals this summer try to flat turn those roll-up boats in the wide turns... hint: it's a lot easier, safer, and faster to do with a side fin.
3. It should have never become a rule to begin with. Only the current BSR drivers were allowed to vote on the whole category's class structure. Doesn't seem right (Ed, I'm sure it followed the legal procedure...) - there was only 1 or 2 flat turners at the time that had to retire/quit. That's like letting the CSR drivers vote on whether Rich Runne should be allowed to compete next year. Of course they would vote only thinking about themselves...
4. The combination works in all other runabouts classes. It can work in BSR too.

I know my friends in this class may selfishly disagree, but I really think it is in the best interest of SO to not exclude any particular runabouts from your class. It may even be preventing participation...

As engines become available, don't we want this to attract new B drivers from all over?

Just food for thought-

[jsilvestri]

Good points Kevin. I too, thought it was foolish when the rule was instated. Hopefully, for the, possible, good of the class, this can be changed some time in the future.

[csh12M]

I know my friends in this class may selfishly disagree, but I really think it is in the best interest of SO to not exclude any particular runabouts from your class. It may even be preventing participation...

As engines become available, don't we want this to attract new B drivers from all over?

Just food for thought-

The food for thought is.......why is Champboat "up and commer" Kevin Ladd worrying about BSR? HHMMMMM, to be continued.......

What were the dimensions of Kelly's Sorenson side turning ASR......HHMMMM

Later,
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[mike ross]

It looks like Joe has brainwashed Kevin. He loves Hydrobouts!!!!!!

[race4kaos]

Dean, Dean...

That's the problem with racers... you suspect I'm proposing something to benefit ME, because that's what most people do!!
I promise, I have no plans for driving a BSR in the future.
Although this rule did keep me from ever trying out that boat.

I just think this was and is wrong.
(And I'd like to see someone beat Ed.)

[MGallagher]

Maybe, with the new upcoming B motor they might look into changing it back to increase sales of that motor, but until then It looks like the class has alot of fun racing that way. Personally, I miss rolling it up, but because i got so big I started to race Rich's Rig. I even got all 210 lbs of me in an ASR at Loch Haven just to go out and have fun. I love to watch 12 of them go into a corner all gunning for the inside. For those that don't have a roll-up and want one, Email me and I will send you plans(for a minimal price). It is the most fullfilling ride in boatracing in my opinion.

Matt Gallagher
58J

[jsilvestri]

Mike,

Those are fighting words. Seriously, I too miss the roll-up ride but find it to be better to side fin the CSR, I've tried the roll-up CSR with two different boats. I just believe it should be left up to the driver and not a mandatory rule one way or the other. Just my opinion.

[18W]

I as a BSR driver voted to eliminate them from the class. I think it is fair to say that the class is rather safe as currently raced. The drivers of the class were asked to make a decision about the class. Decision made. It is not fair to change the class the way it is by letting others who don't race the class vote on that classes rules.

Was it selfish,I don't think so. I thought my vote was mine. But the system allowed us, the class, to make that decision. Is it selfish to ask those same people to "take one for the rest of the team" and allow those boats back? That is one of the primary reasons I race the class. I don't race hydros any more. If I did, I would race BSH. I feel there is a class for those types of boats already.

Your opening statement says... if it becomes popular and they want to race it. If they do, they race it the way the rule states. What if it doesn't become popular? Why should the exsisting class members pay the price for that.

Now I know it is safer to flat turn a round chine boat, I think I will that. That was a good one. Ask Brian what happened at Dayton in ASR "on the chine". Does that mean going faster into the water is safer?

[CSR4C]

Leave it the way it is. B is the only real runabout class left.
Darrell

[racer121M]

BSR rollup

I've run CSR both roll up and flat turning (which I do now). I also ran BSR several years ago. The only problem I see with the roll up boats is the visibility issue...namely the view to the right when rolling up in the turns. I just think flat turning is safer but I say it should be the BSr drivers call (and they DID vote on it a few years ago. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

[KellyLadd]

it's still selfish...

(first off, i love you davey. but i respectfully disagree)

"I as a BSR driver voted to eliminate them from the class." -18W

that's my point exactly davey, do we really want anyone 'eliminated' from our future big growth class? you say "them" like it's a bad word. is it that some of you might be scared of getting beat by one...?

i don't understand why the drivers where allowed to vote on such a rule. of course the 95% of you won... that doesn't necessarily make it right.

brian is an excellent racecraft runabout driver. and he knew the fastest way to turn it was flat on the chine. didn't work at dayton, but he will try it again at wakefield - he's stubborn like that love you too, brian). i just think it would be safer with a side fin...

you're right the class is fairly safe now - because you are all experienced roll up veterns. but again, that isn't promoting growth and newbies into the class. where does one even learn that skill anyone? the current BSR drivers' selfishness will keep the hot rod East of the Mississippi in BSR. and it keeps some boat builders' designs from competing. (4C, despite your 'vote', if i were serious about winning the BSR Nationals, i would want to do it in one of your boat... flat turning. nothing against the racecraft - i just didn't have the skills to drive one.)

i'm not saying any one of YOU should change. but what ever happened to freedom of choice...? it's still the AMERICAN power boat association last i checked.

kevin-

(davey, we'll have to settle this on the trails next month. fyi, i'll be flat turning my F7...)

[14-H]

Kevin>>>

Kevin: You race the class as it is and show us how good you really are! Then we can talk about changing the rules "for the good of the class."

Sorensen is right: BSR is the only REAL runabout class left, Stock, Mod, Pro, J, Inboard (okay, those skiff guys could probably run B Runabout). In my opinion, A,25,C and D Runabout were ruined with the side fin. Side fins make runabouts sissy boats. Ask any REAL runabout driver. You Hydro guys have plenty of classes to run. How about we mandate 1 pin turns at the Wakefield nationals to save the cost of all the buoys your hydro fins destroy??? We'll see just how fast and safe those side turn fins are then.

This kinda sounds to me like the "we've got to change the school curriculum so it meets the girls' needs" type of argument.

Anybody not know what I think about this point?

Kevin: Are you bored, or what? Eddie.

[14-H]

i don't understand why the drivers where allowed to vote on such a rule. **** but what ever happened to freedom of choice...? it's still the AMERICAN power boat association last i checked.

kevin-

This is a rather interesting argument.

[Big Don]

I'm confused...normal...what makes the BSR the only "real" runabout class? Becuse that is the way the class started? Rolling on it's side?

[nightmoves]

[QUOTE=14-H]Kevin: You race the class as it is and show us how good you really are! Then we can talk about changing the rules "for the good of the class."

"Sorensen is right: BSR is the only REAL runabout class left, Stock, Mod, Pro, J, Inboard (okay, those skiff guys could probably run B Runabout). In my opinion, A,25,C and D Runabout were ruined with the side fin. Side fins make runabouts sissy boats. Ask any REAL runabout driver. You Hydro guys have plenty of classes to run. How about we mandate 1 pin turns at the Wakefield nationals to save the cost of all the buoys your hydro fins destroy??? We'll see just how fast and safe those side turn fins are then."

If I remember correctly Ed, you were one of the first side fin boats in 98' 99' to run ASR...........