Mod classes and step ups............

[mercguy]

A CSR is a legal CMR. It is not a step up.

thanks Keith, I do realize that now. It was also stated by Mike H. I now understand the specifics of the "stock" version of the "mod" version is a legal rig, not a step up. Thanks guys! I just needed to understand that a CMR/CMH is a legal rig (points awarded) in DMR/DMH, as long as it is Merc 30H powered, not Yamato powered, so I am set.....

[Jeff5P]

Darren,

The step-up is done by class, not cubic inch. Therefore, the 24 cubic inch "C" Yamato is a legal step-up for D Mod. If there are 3 legal D Mods in a class, then the "C" that steps up (either Mercury or Yamato) gets "D" points just like the true "D". I've stepped my CMR (Yamato) up to DMR on occasion and always received national high points in the D class.

[mercguy]

Darren,

The step-up is done by class, not cubic inch. Therefore, the 24 cubic inch "C" Yamato is a legal step-up for D Mod. If there are 3 legal D Mods in a class, then the "C" that steps up (either Mercury or Yamato) gets "D" points just like the true "D". I've stepped my CMR (Yamato) up to DMR on occasion and always received national high points in the D class.

oh boy, now I am confused once again?????????


Mr. Read can you please help me out here???????

[STEVE FRENCH]

Daren,
Please disregard my previous post as far as your original question.

I'm new to this game also and obviously don't know what I'm talk'n about

19P----------------gone fish'n

[mercguy]

Daren,
Please disregard my previous post as far as your original question.

I'm new to this game also and obviously don't know what I'm talk'in about

19P----------------gone fish'in

hey Steve, me too!!!!!!!! Maybe we should just go fishin' together??????


PS: I need a driveshaft for a B/C quicky.............

(619)659-8262 hm after 7pm

[STEVE FRENCH]

Darren,
I have "stubbed" shafts avail---3/8" and 1/2" square. Use deep well socket and old drive shaft cut to length...........

Will give ya a call later today.

19P

[Jeff5P]

There is a difference between stepping your stock motor over to mod and stepping up a mod motor into a different mod class. To step over from stock to mod, you need to check the list in the rule book and see what class your stock motor is legal in. Then you need to be registered as a mod driver and you are ready to race and receive points in the mod class.

To step up from one mod class to another is different. For example, a C Mod (either a Mercury or a Yamato) can step up to D Mod. To get national high points, there must already be 3 D Mods in the class, then you as a step up will get D points. In other words, you cannot be the third boat, but can be the 4th, 5th,. or 6th boat.

What Steve French was talking about is running combined classes. In Steve's case a lot of times, they will run 2 C's and 2 D's together and because there are not 3 legal boats of any one class, no one gets points. If there were 1 C and 3 D's then the D's get points and the C gets nothing because he did not request to step up to D. If he did request to step up, then because there are already 3 D's he would get D points.

I hope this helps clear things up for you. If not, give us a call and we can go over it again.

Jeff and Mary Williams
Chief Mod Inspector and Long Time Scorer/Referee

[Tony Lester]

New Height Restriction

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I am outraged and appalled to see that Mr. Hearn has seen fit to include FAH in his new height rule.

It would appear that the Modified Division has become subservient to the Stock Outboard Division and to the dictates of Mr. Hearn.
This is an undemocratic display of defiance with regards to: Due process.
What precipitated this ludicrous ruling in the first place?
I have not seen, nor have I heard any do***entation that would suggest we had a problem with the height issue, i.e. tuck under in the FAH class.

No review of any data has been disclosed to support the claim... I recommend a complete investigation, then reveal all the undistored facts and put the issue to a driver Vote.

Entrust your problems to the sanctimonious Lawers of America, they can fix anything; even if it's not broken!


Tony Lester
60-D

[ryan_4z]

Tony,

I had heard that this was just a Stock ruling. If the way that the height was measured was also changed in mod, then that would have been a ruling made by the Mod Commission. Ed Hearn doesn't have the power to just command rule changes in any category(including stock).

[bill boyes]

[QUOTE=Tony Lester]rial][SIZE=3]
I am outraged and appalled to see that Mr. Hearn has seen fit to include FAH in his new height rule.

It would appear that the Modified Division has become subservient to the Stock Outboard Division and to the dictates of Mr. Hearn.
This is an undemocratic display of defiance with regards to: Due process.
What precipitated this ludicrous ruling in the first place?
I have not seen, nor have I heard any do***entation that would suggest we had a problem with the height issue, i.e. tuck under in the FAH class.

No review of any data has been disclosed to support the claim... I recommend a complete investigation, then reveal all the undistored facts and put the issue to a driver Vote.

Entrust your problems to the sanctimonious Lawers of America, they can fix anything; even if it's not broken!


Tony Lester /QUOTE] Wasn't this thread about step-ups in Mod classes. How did the tuck rule come into play.

[Dave M]

Ryan, WRONG

Ryan,

Mr. Read received an email from the APBA BOD that told him, by the saftey whatever the fruck they call it, that since the motors and boats are similar in size and speed that the tuck rule will indeed be enforced in FAH and FAR. The MOD commision would not even entertain a proposal of such. Therfore the Mods were backdoored into the rule by saftey committee in APBA. So much for democracy.

Don't start harping here about what happens, we all read what is on that other thread on why it is dangerous, and all your numerous opinions and insights ont he subject. Bottom line is it is a rule now effective immediately.

I have not yet ever heard of a Saftey Rule being overturned in APBA once it is a rule. Anyone else ever hear of it ?

I have no intention of arguing this with anyone, so don't bother with retorts to the rules intentions. Lets just hope it is not a step towards making this effective in all classes.

[bill boyes]

There is a difference between stepping your stock motor over to mod and stepping up a mod motor into a different mod class. To step over from stock to mod, you need to check the list in the rule book and see what class your stock motor is legal in. Then you need to be registered as a mod driver and you are ready to race and receive points in the mod class.

To step up from one mod class to another is different. For example, a C Mod (either a Mercury or a Yamato) can step up to D Mod. To get national high points, there must already be 3 D Mods in the class, then you as a step up will get D points. In other words, you cannot be the third boat, but can be the 4th, 5th,. or 6th boat.

What Steve French was talking about is running combined classes. In Steve's case a lot of times, they will run 2 C's and 2 D's together and because there are not 3 legal boats of any one class, no one gets points. If there were 1 C and 3 D's then the D's get points and the C gets nothing because he did not request to step up to D. If he did request to step up, then because there are already 3 D's he would get D points.

I hope this helps clear things up for you. If not, give us a call and we can go over it again.

Jeff and Mary Williams
Chief Mod Inspector and Long Time Scorer/Referee

So. if i take a 102 power head that i have and make a C-Mod motor out of it pipes and all with a C-mod legal gear case i can run DMR with it and earn DMR point as long as there are 3ea 40 cu in DMR's in the race. Do you think that a good running CMR would be competitive in DMR?

[ryan_4z]

No one was backdoored by the Safety Committee. It is their job, and obligation to the racers to make sure that we compete in a safe racing environment. Maybe some of you who cannot appreciate the fact that they are looking out for our safety need to re-evaluate your priorities.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Jeff and Mary Williams,

Once again,-- I bow my head and offer my humble --thanks. >(On the step-up question)

19P

P.S.--Think I'll keep my head down, grab my fish'n pole, and duck-out of this thread before I slip on that other "can of worms / woop a$$ " that has spilled into this thread!!-> B-BYE! ---HEY DAREN PUT A FOR SALE SIGN IN THE YARD, GRAB SOME COORS LIGHT, I'LL BRING THE ICE AUGER AND FRESH BAIT! >They caught a 34" Northern last week at/on the ice at Canadohta Lake,Pa. -----STEVE

"GIM'ME THREE STEPS MISTER TW'ARDS THE DOOR AND YOU'L NEVER SEE....."

[bill van steenwyk]

To Dave Mason re Safety Rules

There has been one recent case where a rule passed as a "safety rule" was overturned on appeal. This is the PRO "radio rule" passed last year by the PRO Commission at the annual meeting and then after much conversation and revisitation by the PRO Commission was not changed. At that point the rule was appealed by Todd Brinkman and myself to the APBA National Commissoner Charles Strang under the rules of APBA. It required much work, and a l000.00 appeal fee put up with no guarantees of getting the money back if the appeal was lost. In this case the appeal was heard by a committee appointed by Charles Strang consisting of three past presidents of APBA. The appeal was decided in our favor, but not actually on the merits of being able to use or not use radios. It was decided that the PRO Commission had no right to start with to make this type rule. The exact wording is as follows: "It should be pointed out that there seems to be a general misunderstanding among our members that "Safety" rules can be instituted by a Commission without balloting the affected membership, Actually, only the Board of Directors and the National Safety Committees have that authority" END QUOTE>