BANNED: 2-stroke engines.

[Smitty]

30 weight oil is a long way from bunker C. The first lie always makes me disbelieve the rest of the story.

Another little porky: 200-1 in weedeaters.

No lies there, Rumley. Last first, I never said 200:1, I said 120:1. As to "Bunker C," notice that I put that in quotes. In the small engine shop I worked at one year, we observed that there was some number of elderly male customers who believed that specialized 2-stroke oil was a marketing scam so that the oil companies could charge extra. Their supposedly money-saving response was to make pre-mix using automotive crankcase oil, or whatever they had in the shed. Whenever one of them had to bring their engine in for us to save, we always joked about, "Another grandpa running "Bunker C."


ZUL8TR, sorry about the bad link. I changed it, and it seems to work now.

[rumleyfips]

Shane:
I converted a riding lawnmower to battery 3 or 4 years ago. The solar system charges the batteries and I havent used conventional energy for the lawn ( 3 + hr a week for a while. The batteries are from the local recycling depot - communication or sleeper cab Freightliner deep cycles.

Smiity:

Sorry about the 200-120 typo. It was a joke about bunker C; OK but there was some pretty good outboard oil available in the 60s.
Raceright:

I am not an American.

[hoosier]

I guess I didn't see any free market or individual choice in that EPA form that I was forced to sign when I bought my 302 last season . Four cycle engines have put motocross racing in a death spiral that they will not recover from . Between the cost , reliability, complexity and crappy performance nobody is staying in moto except factory teams . I've had the pleasure to work with the EPA and their policy's in the refrigeration industry for 30 years and to simply say they are misguided would be a complement ! Wake up people , the clowns are running the ship .

[rumleyfips]

Hoosier:

Please explain how by allowing you to buy a 302 the epa prevented you from execising your individual choice to buy a 302.

[ricochet112]

I think long before that Dave there will be ethanol in all the fuel we use

It's already there.

Today, E10 is sold in every state. In fact, more than 95% of U.S. gasoline contains up to 10% ethanol to boost octane, meet air quality requirements, or satisfy the Renewable Fuel Standard.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethanol_blends.html


Any 2 stroke with a carburetor emits raw hydrocarbons out of the exhaust, period. Doesn't matter what the oil ratio is.

[hoosier]

Free market would allow me to purchase , use , resell without the list of restrictions that were on the form that I agreed to and by punishment by the federal authority if I don't . Does that sound like free will to you ?

[SeaBat]

It is amazing to have watched many of the people of this country literally beg to become "serfs" over my lifetime (81 yrs.'). We are leaving our future generations with a debt that is out of control and a government that is, and will restrict their very freedoms.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety " Benjamin Franklin, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11,1755"

[rumleyfips]

Hoosier:

If you have the means to have lived your life without a mortgage, a car loan, a student loan , a business loan, a line of credit you are lucky. If you have ever applied for any of this money you have filled out forms guaranteeing your behavior that are much more draconian than assuring that you intend to use your racing motor to race.

If you have signed the forms for a consumer loan you have agreed to keep the purchase, insured and in good repair; to not loan or rent it; to pay all applicable taxes fees and lisences etc.

People have no problem with giving a financial institution whatever personal information requested because they are greedy for the money. A simple government form , on the other hand, has people whining about freedom.

You are a boat racer and as such should have some ability to use logic. Go up is faster ; then go up. Go in is slower don't go in. Simple cause and effect. Complaining about filling out a form that gives less personal information than other forms you have filled out defies logic as much as the idea that tin foil inside a crash helmet will make you go faster.

[hoosier]

Rumley You have helped me see the light ! I will gladly take my place in line with you to receive our ration of whatever the government has decided that we should receive . After all , they only want the best for us !

[raceright]

Better stop the politics now admin. Cause I'm about to hammer the northeast liberal Obama lovers. nu by

[propfxrO84]

Me also Pat. I have heard all the leftist BS I care to. Signing off.....for now. BT

[blueskyracer]

we may have to shut this baby down

[SeaBat]

I hope not Mike. Boat racing is strongly affected by politics and special interest groups that have their own agenda. I feel that this forum is the place to discuss these issues that now directly effect us now and into the future of two stroke outboard racing. If we just sit back and don't get the problems out in the open and discuss them,the politicians and bureaucrats in power will destroy outboard racing as we know it. It's sometimes a painful process and tempers will fly and friendships will be tried, but if we remain silent we will lose. I hope I haven't offended anybody by an old man's rambling.
Bill

[blueskyracer]

I hope not Mike. Boat racing is strongly affected by politics and special interest groups that have their own agenda. I feel that this forum is the place to discuss these issues that now directly effect us now and into the future of two stroke outboard racing. If we just sit back and don't get the problems out in the open and discuss them,the politicians and bureaucrats in power will destroy outboard racing as we know it. It's sometimes a painful process and tempers will fly and friendships will be tried, but if we remain silent we will lose. I hope I haven't offended anybody by an old man's rambling.
Bill

Bill sorry but if you have followed this site for any amount of time we have always said there are a ton of sites to fight politics but not here.. This site is to promote boat racing in all of it forms. Key word here is Promote

[hydroman6]

Before this thread goes away

Smitty,

My youngest races 125 Rotax (2 stroke) Kart also here in Wa. state. Tell your friend I'm pretty sure they run 2 stroke shifters at the track in Sumas north of you. Check with Roger at kart-o-rama. We also have a large shifter class over here in the Tri-Cities Wa. with what is possibly the nicest purpose built kart only track on the west coast. 9 club races a year, showers, concessions, covered grid and bleacher area and water and power in the paved pits. Check it out at http://tckc.net/.

Steve