A quote for The King

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Richard Petty at the Performance Racing Industry show in Indianapolis on Thursday 12/12/13; “Everybody running the same speed is NOT racing”

[blueskyracer]

That pretty much says it all

[raceright]

What does he know about racing,HUH
Only the most successful racer ever. Ok you stat lovers spend the next several hours digging to find someone more successful.

[raceright]

That pretty much says it all

ditt0: racing is not just about holding a steering wheel::

[kev29p]

He also apparently thought it was acceptable to break the rules and win races. Adding weight in tricky ways after the race, illegal motors, you name it, he and Inman did it and took tons of wins away from others who were not cheating. Well, maybe others were cheating too, but the Petty team was better at it!

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He also apparently thought it was acceptable to break the rules and win races. Adding weight in tricky ways after the race, illegal motors, you name it, he and Inman took tons of wins away from others who were not cheating. Well, maybe other were cheating too, but the Petty team was better at it!

Did you not just describe stock outboard racing---there are many ways to cheat, like stacking the deck in you favor making it impossible if not very difficult to aquire equiptment.
. You know like weighing crankshafts, rods, piston, at the factory and getting them to the certain few. Don't even try to oppose this as it is a fact of life.

There are many levels of honesty but throw the rules out when it comes to racing--we all have our self guidelines. Why I've always been comfortable in Pro

Believe it or not I do have a few old friends in stockoutboard they know my opinion on this and one close friend said Pat you run Pro it is more stock now than Stock outboard. Very true.

[STEVE FRENCH]

“Everybody running the same speed is NOT racing”

That MUST'a been before NASCAR's parity committee's RESTRICTOR PLATES snuff'd out the HEMI!! http://www.hotrod.com/thehistoryof/h...e/viewall.html


And, AFTER Smokey Yunick's days of engine DOMINANCE and rule book readings of what it didn't SAY you couldn't...... DO!!
“I’d been reading the rule book to see what it said. And all along what I should have been doing was finding out what it didn’t say. After I started doing that, racing became fun in a big way.” Smokie Yunick.

Example; 1966 season-"Cars shall retain the stock floor pan"......Smokey found an advantage in his one race and then banned 66 chevelle because it didn't say you couldn't COVER the bottom of the STOCK floor pan for better aerodynamics!! http://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com/2...cale-chevelle/

He practically invented the need for NASCAR templates by once arriving for a race with a scaled-down Chevelle. He lived by the credo, "if they don't say you can't do it, you can."

Example; At one time the NASCAR rule book said "The gas tank can only hold "XX" gallons of fuel"........It didn't say you couldn't run a 1/4 mile of fuel line through the roll cage for a couple extra gallons
http://www.speedwaymedia.com/?p=14053
The most infamous example of his ingenuity occurred in 1968 during Speed Week when NASCAR officials pulled the gas tank out of Yunick’s Pontiac after they thought his car was getting excessive fuel mileage.

After the inspection was over, Yunick got into the car, started it up and drove away… with the gas tank still lying on the ground.

Bobby Allison, who had driven a couple of Yunick’s cars, explained what happened.

“Smokey looked and saw where the NASCAR rule book wouldn’t define something and he’d make his own improvisations.”

“The gas tank was the right size but he made the fuel line so it held a couple of gallons of gas. So he was able to drive away without the gas tank. I don’t want to say he didn’t step outside the lines, but he was really smart about those things.”

He practically invented the need for NASCAR templates by once arriving for a race with a scaled-down Chevelle. He lived by the credo, "if they don't say you can't do it, you can."

The following is from....;
How Not To Cheat In NASCAR http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=4046695

The late Smokey Yunick, the greatest rule-bender in motorsports history, described slipping past NASCAR inspectors as "walking under a snake's belly." And that was long before the rule book became the airtight list of guidelines it is today. Cheating is a time-honored racing tradition, but it rarely makes as many headlines as it did at this year's Daytona 500. Six Nextel Cup teams got collared—including the cars of Michael Waltrip, Matt Kenseth and Kasey Kahne—resulting in five crew chief suspensions, 500 total points docked from drivers and owners and $250,000 in fines.

When most tricks gain just 0.1 seconds per lap, is cheating worth the risk? It can be, when the difference between starting first and 35th is less than 0.3 seconds. Where exactly are the gray areas in which scofflaws have been nabbed while looking for speed? Grab a lug wrench and read on.

01 - Rules of the Road

The Nextel Cup rule book is surprisingly gaunt—an easy-to-digest 184 pages about the width of a bumper sticker. Those who wrote it equated brevity with no wiggle room. Those who read it have a different philosophy.

"A competitor interprets the rules with a different set of eyes," says crew chief-turned-team owner Ray Evernham. "You look for what isn't covered or what isn't as specific as it could be. Those are the places where you can find an advantage. You aren't breaking rules. The stuff you're doing just isn't covered."

02 - Room of Doom

Yunick used tricks like putting a basketball in an oversize gas tank for inspection and then deflating the ball before the race, or building a car exactly seven-eighths the size of the stock model. Now Cup cars inch through NASCAR's techinspection line at least three times each weekend and are pored over by 50 yellow-clad inspectors wielding more than 30 templates to measure exteriors. The first check takes up to 10 hours, but officials promise speedier lines once the Car of Tomorrow debuts in March, thanks to nine radio frequency identification (RFID) chips that chat with computers to confirm chassis legality.

03 - Fireworks

The first place a team might look for extra speed is the very spot where power is cooked. But the engine is also the first place NASCAR looks. Teams juice horsepower by redirecting microscopic air paths around the carburetor or, when they're really desperate, adding extra sparks to the combustion chamber through fuel additives. That once meant stowing a bottle of nitrous oxide beneath the driver's seat. Modern solutions are more exotic and harder to sniff out. Such was not the case when Michael Waltrip's Toyota was busted after a gel in the fuel lines left an unusual smell trailing from his exhaust following Daytona 500 qualifying.

04 - The Highs and Lows

Teams want their cars to slip through the air as slickly as physics will allow, which means getting low to the ground. That's no easy task when trying to meet minimum and maximum heights above the ground and at the roof's tallest point. Jimmie Johnson's crew chief, Chad Knaus, was suspended from last year's Daytona 500 when the No. 48 Chevy was caught with a device that lifted the rear windshield three-quarters of an inch, just enough of a bubble to roll the airflow more smoothly over the roofline and away from the rear spoiler.

05 - Tell-Tail Sign

Since the rear spoiler became common in the 1970s, it has grown from a quarter-inch sliver to a league-mandated six-inch blade reinforced with metal brackets. On intermediate tracks, this wing keeps the back of the car glued to the ground; on superspeedways, teams do whatever they can to get it out of the airflow—or at least through it. The Evernham Motorsports car of Elliott Sadler came to Daytona with holes drilled through the bolts holding the spoiler in place, passing air through and dumping it into the trunk. The Car of Tomorrow will eliminate the need for spoiler jockeying, thanks to uniform wings issued to teams each race.

06 - Body Modifications

Team engineers spend hundreds of hours in a wind tunnel with a rule book in one hand and a smoke gun in the other. Why? To see if a 200 mph breeze will reveal any surface that can be smoothed or rounded to suck out excess pools of air. Most teams focus on the window posts, side panels and fenders, where NASCAR templates leave room to breathe. During Speedweeks, Kasey Kahne's No. 9 Dodge and Matt Kenseth's No. 17 Ford were found to have small holes in the rear wheel wells, sucking air out from under the car and leaking it into empty spaces in the trunk.

07 - Rubber Meets the Road

The only NASCAR no-no bigger than messing with fuel is toying with tires. Goodyear supplies the rubber, distributed each Friday morning along with a list of recommended tire pressures for the weekend. In the old days, it was common to see crew members "soaking" tires back at the hotel, using a solution that softened the rubber and provided more grip. Now even the slightest rumor of chemicals in the paddock brings out a brigade of scientific tests, as happened when team owner Jack Roush accused Evernham of treating Jeff Gordon's tires during his 13-win season in 1998. Nothing was found.

[KURPS]

Did you not just describe stock outboard racing---there are many ways to cheat, like stacking the deck in you favor making it impossible if not very difficult to aquire equiptment.
. You know like weighing crankshafts, rods, piston, at the factory and getting them to the certain few. Don't even try to oppose this as it is a fact of life.

There are many levels of honesty but throw the rules out when it comes to racing--we all have our self guidelines. Why I've always been comfortable in Pro

Believe it or not I do have a few old friends in stockoutboard they know my opinion on this and one close friend said Pat you run Pro it is more stock now than Stock outboard. Very true.

I agree with Pat.

[STEVE FRENCH]

I'm not agee'n with anyone here.....

Just offering perspective on competition.

Everyone LOOKS for an advantage.......Seems like if they find one that gets them near the front we get more......"beat'm with the rule book if you can't on the race course".

We are lucky we still can use our imagination and TALENT with the boat hull!!

Opps, isn't there some APBA spec Hydros and tunnels (Revolution) in the works in California?....Hmmmmmm........ hope they don't become mandatory to "even" the field?
Like the spec NASCAR cookie cutter car? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEM7mY_k1_4 ....Gott'a give J.Micheal credit. I doubt he had much time in that rig before going out and standing his ground while being wedged/pinched in at the start and just flat DROVE IT LIKE HE STOLE IT!!



More Smokie;
http://www.superchevy.com/features/c...e/viewall.html

http://www.jcs-group.com/racin/living/yunick.html


Anyone who doubts Smokie was a Intelligent guy and had a sense of "nonsense"....errrrr...humor;>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susdiHJ4Vuo
Notice that was without notes or script and he's in his late 70's!!

[reed28n]

Stock Motors

Take motors made for racing. Keep them current.

Having motors around for 40 years, approving after market parts, increase tolerances to allow for worn out parts, limited parts available to only a select few racers..... all of these things have happened and some of them were driven by wanting to keep motors going. Some of the changes are driven by folks that have found something.

Reset - new motors, older motors make a natural progession to Modifed motors.

Focus - select a small number of classes to promote nationally with an APBA appointed technical committtee that makes technincal rules with dynos and data

Local - keep a spectrum of classes or motors for everyone to run all they want on a local level.

Enforce - enforce the rules we have and eliminate the rules we never use.

Stop - stop changing everything every year..... we do not have enough expertise in our sport to warrant making a change every 12 months because a couple members are unhappy

[PopPop]

? Air ?

QUOTE ( leaking it into empty spaces in the trunk. )
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL THAT EXTRA AIR IN THE TRUNK ?????

[STEVE FRENCH]

QUOTE ( leaking it into empty spaces in the trunk. )
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL THAT EXTRA AIR IN THE TRUNK ?????

Is that like "junk in the trunk" ?? LMAZZOFF!!

LUV YA POP!!

[rumleyfips]

Anybody can cheat ie. the Maurice Petty 460 engine. No skill involved.

Someone who runs legal and wins gets my vote all the time ie. Allam Kulwiki.

It was always fun having an surprised inspector say " this is a stock engine" after I won.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Anybody can cheat ie. the Maurice Petty 460 engine. No skill involved.

Someone who runs legal and wins gets my vote all the time ie. Allam Kulwiki.

It was always fun having an surprised inspector say " this is a stock engine" after I won.

Mostly, though, Yunick was a thorn in NASCAR's side.
To those who disliked him, Yunick was an underhanded rule-bender. For those on his side, he was a genius with a hard-working scientific approach. "All those other guys were cheatin' 10 times worse than us," Yunick said in his autobiogordongraphy, "so it was just self-defense."

Smokey Yunick vs. NASCAR Inspectors

Yunick's mechanical mastery left NASCAR's technical inspectors flustered and frustrated for the better part of two decades, winning with drivers such as Herb Thomas, Fireball Roberts, Marvin Panch, Banjo Matthews and Bobby Isaac. He won races in cars that were widely accepted as illegal, but were never formally proven so by NASCAR.

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Here's one that might of been related to folks scratching their heads and wondering about a super fast hole shot dash to start line and first turn marker ...hmmmmmm........LOL!!....I've been in Go-Kart races that during staging and the first lap your eyes burned so bad from a funny odor......

"........Modern solutions are more exotic and harder to sniff out. Such was not the case when Michael Waltrip's Toyota was busted after a gel in the fuel lines left an unusual smell trailing from his exhaust following Daytona 500 qualifying."
Maybe pre start fuel samples with a trickle test sample from the carb bowl and fuel line connection??
I always was pretty good getting the hole shot ...........DOH!

[rumleyfips]

Yah Steve, but Yunick wasn't the only one running illegal fuel storage. Junior and Hammond did it with the fuel cell and Allison used the roll cage. Big deal- no skill involed. Imagine how I would admire Smokey if he got 1/2 mpg more with innovation and didn't take the lazy way out.