Legal or not?

[Dr. Thunder]

What if ...

What if, as an owner, I plan to campaign five Pro boats in the same class. What number(s) would I use.

Part two ... If I were to race the same boats in stock, mod and pro what number format would be the legal format ... Number first or Region letter first. Just curious about how the rules apply in those two examples.

[G Stillwill]

I put two boats in BSH at almost every race both boats have the same number One boat gets one of the numbers taped off the driver gets scored on the number given on the entry blank Example my number is 32-E the other boat get the 2 or the 3 taped off and the one driving that boat get scored on the number that is showing and the number that is on the entry blank dont know if the numbers have to be rounded off there isnt a rule on that yet but give it time.

[Big Don]

My question was not really answered..
I plan on using Y-33..
APBA-- MOD.
NBRA MOD.

I can’t speak for everyone but no one in their right mind would DQ you because you had the letter before the number. Especially if it’s your PRO number.

But we have all seen some crazy stuff go down in our time.

I started this thread only asking how everyone interpreted the part of the rule in reference to the meaning of solid. Just shows how a simple question can open a can of worms.

[26V]

I can’t speak for everyone but no one in their right mind would DQ you because you had the letter before the number. Especially if it’s your PRO number.

But we have all seen some crazy stuff go down in our time.

I started this thread only asking how everyone interpreted the part of the rule in reference to the meaning of solid. Just shows how a simple question can open a can of worms.

And we all know your good at opening cans!

by the way where do I put my proposals for the National meeting?

proposal 1-- how about the stock commission brainstorms on how to promote outboard racing / grow member ship, and tables all other proposals so that I don't have to print another rule book this year?
Just think, no new rules! we run what we did last year!

[D_Allen_III]

I really wish the numbers rule stated "Have numbers that can be read by the scoring crew. If they can't read them, they will tell you to change them, and have them changed by the next race."

I've seen people show up with beautifully painted numbers worked into their paint job that have a navy background, 11 inch tall x 2 inch thick numbers and can be read anywhere on the course. But then they have to get out duck tape and add a "solid" black background so people can read them.

Yet if you follow the rule and have 6 inch tall x 1 inch thick numbers, it makes your boat look like garbage and can't be read if you are in lane 1. Dumb...

[krazy karl]

When I first joined APBA and started racing, I was stock only. APBA assigned me 88-C as my number as I had no preference. A couple of years later I decided to race Mod and got the super license. I was given 90-C in Mod and 90-C in Pro. I wondered why the new number but never questioned it. So my marathon boat had the 88-C on it and my closed course boat had 90-C on it which I raced in both Mod and Stock. This was never a problem until new guy showed up with 90-C on his boat which he raced in stock, I raced Mod that weekend. Then I asked a long time racer why he had the same number. I was told that APBA had a separate list of numbers for each of the categories. Then I asked then why I wasn't given 88-C in Mod? He said that somebody probably had that number for Mod and was probably "holding" it. Also why does the C come after the number on my license in Mod and Pro when the rule says it should be before? Personally I don't care as I have raced in both categories with no problems but it all seems very complicated for what should be a very simple procedure. By the way I had 88 before Junior stole it.
kk

[Dave M]

I know

Thanks to all.. BUT.. Missouri is NOT the only state using Y...LOL..
When I carried both an APBA and an AOF card,, both cards I believe showed
Y-33 and those were the #'s on my boats.. I doubt anybody has taken them
as the number of Y boats has really diminished and for that I am sorry.

I know where you are from. Let's hope the race is on this year. In NBRA we use some common sense to the numbering. Trust me, if the scorer can't read your number, there is not a member on the bank that will not help you get it right before the next heat, or race. The only thing that really perturbs our scorers is the number "X" on a boat for more than a race or two. So i am sure Jeff Ruth will have his boat number changed by the next race.

Welcome aboard, can't wait to race. Keep all those politicians over at APBA, we don't want them, and we certainly don't need them.

[BP125V]

I really wish the numbers rule stated "Have numbers that can be read by the scoring crew. If they can't read them, they will tell you to change them, and have them changed by the next race."

I've seen people show up with beautifully painted numbers worked into their paint job that have a navy background, 11 inch tall x 2 inch thick numbers and can be read anywhere on the course. But then they have to get out duck tape and add a "solid" black background so people can read them.

Yet if you follow the rule and have 6 inch tall x 1 inch thick numbers, it makes your boat look like garbage and can't be read if you are in lane 1. Dumb...

Donny - the problem with a rule like you are proposing is that the ability to read the numbers changes weekend to weekend depending on the scoring crew, distance from the course to the judge's stand, weather, etc etc. that is why there are specs on the size and color of the numbers. it was an attempt to standardize what people put on their boats.

BTW - do agree with you about the 6" x 1" numbers. I think a minimum of 8" x 1 1/2" on a solid back ground would be better. again - the solid background is a means to standardize.

[PRO-MOTIONRACING]

Can You See Me Now?

How about numbers you can read and numbers that are legal (notebook paper held on by APBA stickers).

I'm thinking two orange helmets and extra grommets just in-case.

On the day of the last Outboard race ever there will be very few rules.

[jeff55v]

For crying out loud!

On this thread, half the people are complaining that the rule is too restrictive. Then on the other thread about rounded pickle forks, half the people are complaining the rule is too vague. Good grief!
The rule book states clearly that the numbers are to be black on white or white on black! Perhaps the rule needs more clarification concerning the border around the numbers, but I find it hard to understand how anybody can show up at a race with blue or yellow numbers and not expect to be called for it!
READ THE RULEBOOK BEFORE YOU PUT A $500 PAINT JOB ON YOUR BOAT!!!
I followed the rules and stuck some big dumb numbers on my nice paint job. I expect everybody else to do the same.

[hshawwpba]

Howard, Do you really think anyone that claims to be a leader should be telling anyone that they shouldn’t race a category? How is that for the good of racing... Good way to lose some of those 36 votes.

No there are better ways to loose those votes but based on the current position the US title series has taken and other groups tired of the cost and lack of voice in APBA the leaders you hang with should be worried about only having 36 members left to support the current circus knowen as APBA!
Enjoy the ride!

R10 #1487

[Kev43V]

I think there's a rule that says prior to selling a boat, the APBA numbers be removed. I've always thought this was a good idea anyway. (Like removing license plates when I sell a car) Just my luck my old boat would change hands three times and some fool would take it for a high speed run through the marina. Next thing I know, the DNR or sheriff, or the FBI would be knocking on my door.

that's Okay Jeff.... I just duct tape 55V on before I do it...
They really haven't knocked on your door yet?
Amazing...

[jeff55v]

that's Okay Jeff.... I just duct tape 55V on before I do it...
They really haven't knocked on your door yet?
Amazing...

Yes, I've had my door knocked on by law enforcement, but not concerning one of my X-boats...
X-wives yes, X-boats no.

[ram95]

RTFRB fer crissakes!!

What about boats that have the letter before the numbers??
Is that illegal??? Someone,, please respond with the facts concerning this
situation... I have a boat coming that I will have to change the numbers on and
in the past I always put the letter before the numbers.. Was never a problem
in the past,, but now,, I do not know.

HERE YA GO "THE FACTS" courtesy of the Mad Russian

A lot of effort went into writing the "numbering rule". So it would really be nice if everyone who races would R ead T he F reaking R ule B ook fer crissakes.

For example, as found in our rules as I will now quote for youse (who dare to read this post): " RULE 6 - RACING NUMBERS", after paragraph 9 "Stock, Mod, and Junior Classes the letter is to be on the right of the number. PRO, The letter is on the left of the number".

How hard is that to read? It Aint hard?

[ram95]

Well said Bill Boyes!!

If everyone who's moaning about the numbers rule would stop and realize why the rule, particularly the part dealing with legibility needed to be written in the first place, it might help you understand better.

Most likely, it was the 'Scorers' who had difficulty in giving YOU the racer what you deserved for a score!!

Most people who moan about the way a rule happens to be written have no idea how difficult it is to keep it short and sweet. Next time you want to pee % moan like the harmony sisters about a rule.... why don't you try writing it. Then, hand your gibberish to your wife, girlfriend, racer-pal, or kid, and ask them to explain what you have written. Good luck with that.

When it comes down to it, most people are too thin-skinned, or short-fused, or illiterate to compose a coherent guideline, let alone a rule to abide by.

In writing this, if I have failed to offend everyone, please let me know.

Alex