Question for all racers

[14-H]

1.)***2.) Provide mentors to drivers interested that will give them good guidance to avoid these situations

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Alec: D'Agostino and Stillwell would qualify as mentors. That is the problem with this whole thing.

[14-H]

KB won in 2010 and 2011. Nice try, though. Why let facts get in the way of a good post?

R-19

Pat: Touche'.

But, the numbers were still illegal and my point is the same.

[Hutch06]

Alec: D'Agostino and Stillwell would qualify as mentors. That is the problem with this whole thing.

I agree. And I apologize if I implied that they weren't. IMO the whole thing is a crappy situation whichever way you look at it.

But it does prove a point that people who are just starting into the sport need to have a good support group around them for issues like this that come up, even if it is a load.

[Boatracer4fun]

What would you suggest as a punishment in the ASH class at GL? A warning? fix them or else....He already won the nationals! who cares if he fixes them for the next local race. Doesn't seem fair when everyone else is playing by the rules that they get special treatment. Also this rule was enforced by the inspector and referee (ALSO THE APBA PRESIDENT). If they thought a warning was needed, they would have done so. They chose not to and the SORC overruled it.

THIS RULE WAS SET UP 3 YEARS AGO! by your commission no less. If you want to elminate these rules effecting national championships, mandate boat inspection BEFORE the race.

I do agree with your standing that there is discretion involved by the inspectors or referees in enforcing non speed advantage rules at local races. Warnings, yellow cards, etc. But on the national stage that can't be the case.

Kyle, great post. I agree. Rules are rules. Especially at a National Event.

[Big Don]

What would you suggest as a punishment in the ASH class at GL? A warning? fix them or else....He already won the nationals! who cares if he fixes them for the next local race. Doesn't seem fair when everyone else is playing by the rules that they get special treatment. Also this rule was enforced by the inspector and referee (ALSO THE APBA PRESIDENT). If they thought a warning was needed, they would have done so. They chose not to and the SORC overruled it.

THIS RULE WAS SET UP 3 YEARS AGO! by your commission no less. If you want to elminate these rules effecting national championships, mandate boat inspection BEFORE the race.

I do agree with your standing that there is discretion involved by the inspectors or referees in enforcing non speed advantage rules at local races. Warnings, yellow cards, etc. But on the national stage that can't be the case.

Who cares if he fixes them for the next race? Really? How is it any different racing at a nationals or your local race if it’s really about safety? I know you’re going to say No it’s important at all races but the nationals is the # 1 race to win and who cares if he wins his local race or has it taken away. If it’s truly about safety it shouldn’t matter what race it is. Once warned about an issue, it must be fixed or you’re not allowed to race until it is, it’s that simple. It was missed for 3 years, it got caught, he should be warned and it should be fixed.

Were the pickles illegal? Yes. But look…we can’t all agree on what the meaning of the word solid means on the boat number rule and that rules been in there for a lot more than 3 years. That’s one of the reason our rule book is the way it is. We try and cover everything and you can’t. That’s why the SORC is in place to make the final decision. The race officials are only doing their job. It’s up to the SORC to decide the outcome if something is appealed. Our bylaws clearly say that. I don’t think the inspector can give a warning, he’s there to do his job. It’s up to the SORC to decide if appealed. That in itself in one of the issues at play here. Anyone can appeal anything which is wrong in my opinion and the SORC has had their right to run their category taken away. Everyone should be looking at that…this is not about Matt. Sorry Matt it is, but there is a lot more at play here then just that.

All this BS about safety…I agree on safety but it’s BS how everyone is using that term on this…people are using the OMG Matt could have killed someone… BS.

If it were that important how come we just looked at the winner if we are that worried about safety?
If we are so worried about safety why do runabouts not have the same rule?
Why does the J category not have the rule?

Must not be that important.

[shaun13m]

I've read all the posts so I'll throw mine in.
1: Safety rules should be just that! If a boat does not meet the requirements than it should not be allowed to race. If the violation is discovered after any event National of otherwise it needs to be fixed before allowed to compete again. No past performances should be effected.

2: If a rule needs to be clarified than it is a bad rule! Don't add another rule to make up for the bad one, just get rid of the bad rule!

Shaun O'Leary

[YankeeRacing]

just a suggestion: Allow the Safety Director/Inspecor to DQ or FINE for a safety infraction. It is the way the AOF rulebook is set up. If you don't like the Safety Inspectors call, either fix it or don't race in a race that he/she is inspecting.
Connie

[Racerkyle20]

Pat: Touche'.

But, the numbers were still illegal and my point is the same.

Not sure what boat you think I drive but i drive the all white c stock runabout that has the giant black numbers on it. black number on a solid white bacground.

[mrlou40]

Mr. Lewis: you might want to read the General Racing Rules. If people get upset because I think champions should be decided on the race course & not in conference rooms, so be it.

Mt Hearn, with all due respect my comment was not about the topic at hand, hell this is basically the 3rd thread on the grass lake ASH ruling (being it right or wrong I am really trying to stay out of it)

My comment directed to you was about the people who spent their time as a family or as an individul who choose to spend their hard earned funds to make it so others can enjoy the weekend of racing and friendship.

I do not need to show how much my family spends a year going to the races in my region and working in some official position so our races go (mainly) with out a hitch, I (we) do this for the love of our sport as well as your family and Don's has for many years ( and so many others)

What pisses me off was your comment directed to the people who volunteer at the races and what you said was like a knife in the gut.

Maybe A.B.B.A. needs to hire race directors, scores,race chairmans, pit bosses and risk managers like one region does so then if some one speaks about them it has no affect other than the $90.00 entree fee per class it costs the rest of us because they dont have to give a rats a$$.

give them a rock soild rule book with no outs so every one has to follow the same rules nation wide,no iff's or but's.

if you all want to continue with this thread as to what rules should be followed and which should not I can bring a new thread to the table that had similier ramifications a few years ago with different results but pretty much the same rules, and it will show how we are not unitified as a national organisition.

By the way I DO spend quite a lot of time reading the entire A.P.B.A. general racing rules as well as every catagories rules along with National Graphic, many non fiction novels and the "new " Propeller ( when it does lock up my Dell) Was there any part specific part you want me to read like the Nun's wanted me to read ?? Do you have a big a$$ ruler like they did as well ????

C.C.

P.S. sorry about the spelling I'm not a lawyer.