Question for all racers

[Big Don]

First, I never said anyone was dumb, so I don't know "who" you're talking about.

I also stand by the fact that you are complicating a simple issue. The simple fact is that someone on the beach didn't disqualify someone, the inspector did. If it had not been for that initial disqualification, there would have been nothing to appeal. Beyond that, if the SORC would have just got it right in the first place, the disqualification from the inspector wouldn't have had to be reinstated.

Sorry it was supposed to say "what's" dumb... And I'm sorry I come from the school of there are no dumb question when your trying to figure out what the drivers want.

But thanks for your answer on what you want going forward.

[14-H]

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The question becomes: How can we, as members, and category commissioners support the approved officials trying to do their job?

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When they make the right decision, we tell them they did a good job. When they make a chicken $#!t call, we over rule them. We shouldn't be DQ'ing people for things that have nothing to do with fair competition just to make the officials feel good.

[propnuts]

This could make for an interesting rule book.

When they make the right decision, we tell them they did a good job. When they make a chicken $#!t call, we over rule them. We shouldn't be DQ'ing people for things that have nothing to do with fair competition just to make the officials feel good.

So we should have one section of the book called "fair competition" rules and one section called "chicken$#!t" rules, that way we know which ones we should ignore. Sounds like a good job for a lawyer.

[Racerkyle20]

When they make the right decision, we tell them they did a good job. When they make a chicken $#!t call, we over rule them. We shouldn't be DQ'ing people for things that have nothing to do with fair competition just to make the officials feel good.

Then you explain to the nice insurance folk (which we just obtained as a new carrier) why we are not adhearing to our safety rules. Then after you explain them your side, ask them why they raised our rates.

[G Stillwill]

First of all the insurance company never asked us to make a rule on the pickles that was put in place with no data proving they were unsafe just that they looked unsafe. Why isnt there a rule on your runabout which is very pointy or the meat clever side fins that are being run. Why isnt the rule in place in the J division if it so important to the insurance company. The insurance deal was just a ploy to get the decision over turned.

[Racerkyle20]

First of all the insurance company never asked us to make a rule on the pickles that was put in place with no data proving they were unsafe just that they looked unsafe. Why isnt there a rule on your runabout which is very pointy or the meat clever side fins that are being run. Why isnt the rule in place in the J division if it so important to the insurance company. The insurance deal was just a ploy to get the decision over turned.

you're right George. Make the SORC a proposal on runabouts. I'll be the first to grind my runabout nose to the rule. I actually have wondered why we have not yet. I was not apart of the SORC when this rule was put in place, so i'm not sure what the logic was behind it (besides adoption of UIM rule).

Yes the rule was put in place by us and not the insurance company. But its needs to be enforced, otherwise we look like a bunch of guys running around ignoring rules put in place by our own membership. Insurance companies are not going to insure racing organizations that do that on a consistant basis. It's just common sense.

[Howie Nichols]

Perhaps the entire pickle tip rule should be rescinded / eliminated ........

[Racerkyle20]

Perhaps the entire pickle tip rule should be rescinded / eliminated ........

Or we make it all categories, all boats, all type of hulls.

[DiGia54D]

When I started in the mid 80's there were very few conventional Hydros left in racing. Didnt the sonsons ( Picklefork ) Idea help Hydro's from Blowing over so easy? Not a boat builder, so I have no idea.

[Howie Nichols]

Or we make it all categories, all boats, all type of hulls.

To many rules Kyle, we need to get back to a simple rule book if that is even possible, to many BS rules that can DQ someone...

[mercguy]

you're right George. Make the SORC a proposal on runabouts. I'll be the first to grind my runabout nose to the rule. I actually have wondered why we have not yet. I was not apart of the SORC when this rule was put in place, so i'm not sure what the logic was behind it (besides adoption of UIM rule).

Yes the rule was put in place by us and not the insurance company. But its needs to be enforced, otherwise we look like a bunch of guys running around ignoring rules put in place by our own membership. Insurance companies are not going to insure racing organizations that do that on a consistant basis. It's just common sense.

I believe the "pickle rule" was not to include runabouts since it would reduce the overall length of the boat (if they have to shave off the nose) and thus not meet the minumum length required and make alot of the boats illegal..............although I have never seen a runabout measured for length in inspection. Plus, it is not as easy to do, like on a hydro. So, to solve that problem, why not mandate it on all new runabouts built after 1/1/13.....

[krazy karl]

you're right George. Make the SORC a proposal on runabouts. I'll be the first to grind my runabout nose to the rule. I actually have wondered why we have not yet. I was not apart of the SORC when this rule was put in place, so i'm not sure what the logic was behind it (besides adoption of UIM rule).

Yes the rule was put in place by us and not the insurance company. But its needs to be enforced, otherwise we look like a bunch of guys running around ignoring rules put in place by our own membership. Insurance companies are not going to insure racing organizations that do that on a consistant basis. It's just common sense.

Maybe because a hydro has twice the chance of of a runabout of spearing somebody. Seriously as the owner of two pointy Zcraft runabouts I have expected for a few years now to be required to cut the front of my boats.
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[ricochet112]

So we should have one section of the book called "fair competition" rules and one section called "chicken$#!t" rules, that way we know which ones we should ignore. Sounds like a good job for a lawyer.

It's always been this way; 1 set of rules for most racers, and 1 set of rules for the "good 'ol boys club" with "entitlements"...

[Rob]

Ref's call infractions not people on the beach. I would have to say no

[reed28n]

Politics

Perhaps the entire pickle tip rule should be rescinded / eliminated ........

It is not and never was our most critical safety rule .... one driver got hurt, a prominent well respected racer recommended UIM did it why shouldn't we? Stock backed in, Mod side stepped the whole issue by dating boats and complicating it....pro came close

Hind site APBA should have just implemented the rule for all boats and ripped the band aid off.

Racers writing our own rules is slippery.

Fix your numbers
Fix your pickles