Question for all racers

[jpro60]

Back to Don's original question. I do not feel like people on the beach should be able to call infractions. That is what officials and racers do.

That's the problem with Don's question. Such an issue does not exist.

[Jean Mackay]

Supporting Our Officials . . .

The officials, Inspectors, Referees, Race Directors and Scorers ARE located on the beach. They are approved by the category to enforce said category’s rules.

The question becomes: How can we, as members, and category commissioners support the approved officials trying to do their job?

At some regattas the officials are located at judge’s stands on floats in the water.

[adamallen]

My thoughts....

To Don's question I say no.

I've refereed more races than most people on here, across multiple categories. If I were the Referee I doubt that I would have supported the inspectors decision based on it previously being inspected at the same event. That doesnt make fhe inspectors decision wrong. I am also a big believer, like it or not that there is the "spirit of the rule" and "The letter of the Rule". In this situation I believe that philosophy was not used.


AA

[Affholter66]

Yes

Racer breaks rules, racer gets DQ'd, why would I or anyone else have a problem with that?

Agreed..The driver and/or owner need to make sure their Equipment meets ALL rules...unfortunate situation..Let Us all learn from this. I can tell ya I'm going to be looking at all our "stuff".

[jswain3]

Big Don

I agree with you. Oh & Does the $2 Buck Bar sell food?

Mike Perman, bring your CSH to Whitney Point next year instead of going to the Alky Nationals (priorities dude). I'm gonna make sure it's not a repeat of 08'.

[Mrs blueskyracer]

The way I read Don's question was - should folks on the beach spectators, family members and the like be able to call attention to rule infractions - I say No that is the job of the officals and races affected. Guess I read it wrong.

[jpro60]

Mike Perman, bring your CSH to Whitney Point next year instead of going to the Alky Nationals (priorities dude). I'm gonna make sure it's not a repeat of 08'.

That's the plan dude, I've already got the vacation awarded from work for that week. This year I was just able to make an appearance at the two nationals for a day or two a piece but not race. All I can say is bring it on!

[jpro60]

The way I read Don's question was - should folks on the beach spectators, family members and the like be able to call attention to rule infractions - I say No that is the job of the officals and races affected. Guess I read it wrong.

That is the question Don asked, and the obvious answer that I believe almost everyone will come to is no. The problem is that Don is raising a hypothetical question over a non-existent issue. It's a dumb question being asked for a dumb reason.

[Hydroglobe17J]

We have rules.........legal or not legal......right or wrong.....No gray area at inspection.

[Bear513]

Yup topic writer they are locking US out.

just tried to make a topic on how I support the USTS 6 to 1 decision to go NBRA.

best move ever. maybe I will even come back one way or the other.

I hate the A.P.B.A.

[Mrs blueskyracer]

Yup topic writer they are locking US out.

just tried to make a topic on how I support the USTS 6 to 1 decision to go NBRA.

best move ever. maybe I will even come back one way or the other.

I hate the A.P.B.A.

No one is locked out, you don't know what you are talking about.

[modracer7b]

Fix it now

This type of DQ happens all the time, but this one brought the point home. My son lost a probable JSR title in 88 because I improperly attached a side fin. In qualifying, he lost first heat points, so then I told him to start last and just drive around everyone to get in the final. He was that fast, but at 11, he got nervous and jumped the gun and did not get in as he had no points. In the previous month he had set the three mile record starting last almost off plane and driving around the entire field, which included Casey Minton, the 88 winner. The race after the nationals, he drove around Casey both heats on a much shorter course than Wakefield. At least he got the 88 JSH title. Anyway, the fin should have been a warning and he should have gotten in the final. Others were appealing for nose extension DQ's and all got in and I'm relatively certain I could have appealed the fin issue and got him in. The driver responsibility rule has been in the book forever and has been the ultimate buck stops here rule. You can't blame safety inspectors for missing an issue that you should have done right. I did not appeal because even though I did not agree with the DQ, it was my fault and then my son's fault for jumping the gun in a boat so fast that he could not lose.
Ed Hearn loves the no penalty stated rules because they can then be manipulated to a desired outcome. The lesson here is to make sure every rule has a stated penalty or warning and next offense penalty stated for violations.
It is unfortunate that Matt lost his title this way, but this has happened to many potential champions before they got the chance to win the title. This one shows the ultimate price to be payed.


Bill Rosado

[Big Don]

That is the question Don asked, and the obvious answer that I believe almost everyone will come to is no. The problem is that Don is raising a hypothetical question over a non-existent issue. It's a dumb question being asked for a dumb reason.

Wow, dumb...hmmm...who's dumb?

Btw...it happened this year. Someone on the beach not racing appealed the SORC's decision.

[burl11]

Potential Cannon Fodder for Spectator Inspectors

Modified owner/drivers, please remember the transom date rule:

"All MO and PRO hydroplane hulls shall have a construction date permanently affixed to the inside of the transom in a location easily visible to the Inspector."

Just a heads-up, this rule is easily overlooked by owner/drivers, and in my experience has been completely overlooked by inspectors in routine start-of-season safety inspections. It might get caught at a Nationals though.

[jpro60]

Wow, dumb...hmmm...who's dumb?

Btw...it happened this year. Someone on the beach not racing appealed the SORC's decision.

First, I never said anyone was dumb, so I don't know "who" you're talking about.

I also stand by the fact that you are complicating a simple issue. The simple fact is that someone on the beach didn't disqualify someone, the inspector did. If it had not been for that initial disqualification, there would have been nothing to appeal. Beyond that, if the SORC would have just got it right in the first place, the disqualification from the inspector wouldn't have had to be reinstated.