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Edification, quite the snarky post there Ed.
If this isn't overturned, it will be a black mark on the integrity of our rules, and I will be ashamed to be an APBA inspector, and what APBA stands for.
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who's the National commisioner?
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As an outsider with no stake in this it appears to be a no brainer..The original ruling should stand..People miss things so the fact that it may have raced earlier in the year with no problem means nothing,,At least the safety issue was finally caught and should be upheld for the sake of showing no favoritism and upholding the rulesMike - One of the Montana Boys
If it aint fast make it look good
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When did SORC get the authority to supersede Safety Rules?? Just asking as I have no vested interest in this PARTICULAR ruling...just in the "after effect" as in "I'll just run illegal and appeal a disqualification to the SORC"..REALLY????Roger A 68M
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The rules is the rules. I just feel bad for all those who feel bad about something like this, especially those who would now have tainted awards.
On the up-side everyone knows who won the race!.Comment
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The rules aren't the rules...in some cases the rules are just recommendations.
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National Commissioner
Originally posted by mike ross View Postwho's the National commisioner?
Charles D. Strang
He can also appoint a committee to hear the appeal and make recommendations.Last edited by bill van steenwyk; 09-05-2012, 02:03 PM.Comment
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Snarky? Just curious...what does edification mean over in region 10?Originally posted by ricochet112 View PostComment
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Lets fix the real issue
The rule book calls for all sponson tips to have a .5 inch radius. A radius is a measurement involving a diameter and or circumference.
During the deliberations concerning the sponson tips on the 32-E boat I noticed several hydros with flat or straight tips. Being that a radius involves diameters and circumferences, which are all parts of a circle, how are the straight tips classified as legal? I asked this question and was told “because it is”.
A straight line is not a part of a radius. If I ever tried to pass off a straight line as a radius in my profession as an Engineer I would probably be looking for a new job.
My point is simple. Technically the 32-E did not meet the safety specifications even though it had been inspected, and passed inspection for at least two seasons. Why then were the boats with straight tips not disqualified as well as the 32-E?
My son’s J/A hydro passed tech inspection for 3 years and won several races in the process. I was told early this season that my son’s sponsons were illegal but he could still run the boat. Howie Nichols approached me at a race and advised me that Joe couldn’t compete if the sponsons weren’t made to comply with the safety rules. I was very thankful that Howie took the time to have this discussion with me. Bill Giles has since brought Joe’s sponsons into compliance.
I do not believe for one second that George Stillwill would have kept entering his boat in races had he known it was not in compliance.
George Stillwill's boat and my son’s boat are not the only ones that have passed more than one inspection even though they technically weren’t legal.
I applaud guys like Howie Nichols and T.J. Johnston for making the hard calls that few will make.
Rather than appealing to have the decision reversed and the win taken away from Matt and George I would think more justice would be served and more racers would benefit if an appeal was made to the rules committee to give concise rules that can’t be misunderstood, and for the inspectors to make the hard calls.
Look at how many boats have passed inspections that in reality should not have. How can we make an example out of the 32-E when there have been other instances of this same thing happening in the past. Let’s make an example of our rules and how they are enforced; we owe it to our members and to our officials.
If you can’t beat the 32-E on the water please don’t try to do it with the rule book. Let’s fix the real issues and move on knowing that the 32-E won by excellent preparation and outstanding driving.Comment
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Must not have been paying attention is some of your advanced math classes. Consider a large circle instead of one with a dinky 1/2 inch radius. As the radius increases towards infinity the line becomes straighter and straighter- especially on the small distance across a sponson tip. Consider a large radius, maybe a 5 mile one and see how much curvature there is in an inch of circumference on it. Of course that would be kind of an unwieldy inspection tool but there is no doubt that an arc of a semicircle becomes straighter as the radius of the circle gets larger. A short straight line segment is simply a segment of the arc of a circle of infinite radius. Its just geometry.Originally posted by Waterson Racing Team View PostComment
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How about a template ? We use gauges for Everthing else in inspection.Just a thought....Comment
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You'll have to forgive Mike, Mark: he sometimes gets confused between "edification" and "Eddiefication."Originally posted by kampkurz View Post
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Ah, that makes sense. lol Oh, I think a template makes some sense too. I read the rules for UIM, written much like the stock rule as I remember and it was not clear as I would have liked. Can you imagine if Billy had been thrown out over in Germany. 'That' would have been a sad story as well.Originally posted by sponsonhead View PostYou'll have to forgive Mike, Mark: he sometimes gets confused between "edification" and "Eddiefication."
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If I remember correctly, UIM does a full-on Safety Inspection BEFORE a boat is allowed to race, so it would have never come to that.Originally posted by kampkurz View Post
There's a concept.
But also a topic for another thread...
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