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  • #16
    Nbra

    Art and all,
    Having come to NBRA about 3 years ago I find the club to be all anyone would ever need for the boat racing that the club provides. Members share and help each other and we all try to make the sport better for anyone that wants to join. Racing is competive and our races are well attended. Having tow money is also a nice feature that help cover a small portion of ones racing experiance. For folks that don't know the club our website is a good place to start. I am sure any of us would be happy to answer anyones questions.

    Alan

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    • #17
      Personally I don't "get" the animosity between APBA & NBRA. IF an NBRA race was close enough for me to attend, I'd do it. I have looked at NBRA's web-site and know several drivers who I raced with in AOF. The REASON I ran AOF was that there were NO APBA races within a reasonable distance on a regular basis. The main reason I now run APBA is that there are NO NBRA races within a reasonable distance on a regular basis. Has NOTHING, ZIP, ZERO,NADA to do with friggin Insurance!!! The hatin going on is somewhat disgusting and makes me wonder about Go-Karts....(kidding about Go-Karts..but Really?) Just my $0.02...Thanks
      Roger A 68M
      Team Casual

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      • #18
        Noa

        It's been going on from 1970 when NOA fell apart. AOF was started up and many drivers went with it. APBA started the MOD div. and the rest went with it. NOA had no SO only AM PRO (MOD) , PRO and OPC The two groups AOF/NBRA and APBA have never mixed very well, most want attend each others races ,why i don't know I do know why the now NBRA drivers left AOF and started NBRA, Any one want to add to this you are welcome.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Affholter66 View Post
          Personally I don't "get" the animosity between APBA & NBRA. IF an NBRA race was close enough for me to attend, I'd do it. I have looked at NBRA's web-site and know several drivers who I raced with in AOF. The REASON I ran AOF was that there were NO APBA races within a reasonable distance on a regular basis. The main reason I now run APBA is that there are NO NBRA races within a reasonable distance on a regular basis. Has NOTHING, ZIP, ZERO,NADA to do with friggin Insurance!!! The hatin going on is somewhat disgusting and makes me wonder about Go-Karts....(kidding about Go-Karts..but Really?) Just my $0.02...Thanks
          This is not true..No Animosity just tired of getting dragged into all the issues of APBA..NBRA is doing it right and it is fun to race with friends, have a simple rule book and go home with money in the pocket and did not have to rob a bank to pay all the fees..Plus we do not have to race till midnight to get all the A,AX,AXX ,J, AXXX and then all the runabouts in the same classes done for the day.. And then we could add all the new C classes...Really!!!!!!!!!

          We had two APBA racers look at our rule book this weekend at our first NBRA race and they said is this it..It is small and simple and easy to follow..
          Mike - One of the Montana Boys

          If it aint fast make it look good



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          • #20
            Good Point.........

            Originally posted by Affholter66 View Post
            Personally I don't "get" the animosity between APBA & NBRA. IF an NBRA race was close enough for me to attend, I'd do it.
            If you are a REAL boat racer you will adapt and run whatever is in your living area....if i lived in Oklahoma or Nebraska area i would gladly be racing whatever club/organization was in the area!!

            Trying to compare APBA with AOF or NBRA is fun reading but not real practical. APBA is much bigger and diverse than the other organizations and hence has more 'issues' to deal with. However APBA officials/employees in my view should be aware of other organizations and try to use 'what works' and maybe look to change ApBA's business model if warrented.

            In my opinion the APBA Social Site, Hydroracer.net, Boat Racing Facts and any other open boat racing forums should be MUST READING daily for APBA employees and volunteers as to keep a pulse on the racing community. Social Networking seems to be the BUZZ nowadays and hence APBA employees should be reading these forums daily to better understand the feelings (pro and con) of the hundreds of members that voice opinions on these websites!!

            Like they say....'knowledge is good'

            The Captain



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            • #21
              Originally posted by 14-H View Post
              Just for comparison purposes: this is 1/2 the cost of APBA's coverage for an outboard event for 2/5ths the amount of coverage.

              However, when you factor in that APBA's policy provides 4 times the amount of medical insurance, the APBA package is a much better deal (assuming you can afford it).
              I agree, BUT the "real" questions is? Is it enough coverage for the "kneel down" categories?..... I think that the answer is "yes". If most people feel that it is "yes" we may see clubs changing alliances in regards to sanctioning body. I really think APBA could lose a significant amount of its kneel down categories.

              This is the reason I think it is so critical to get sponsorship and deffer some cost on insurance and sanction.

              On the other hand, if NBRA doubled in size in both members and races its costs may also increase. Therefore negating any cost advantages.

              It will be interesting to see how the next 4-6 years shake out.

              12M



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              • #22
                Nobody gets it.. NBRA races one catagory.. Outboards up to and including SE so they get a good deal on insurance.. APBA has to have insurance to cover those plus OPC, Offshore, pros, unlimiteds and on and on..Of coarse you must have a bigger more comprehensive package to cover all that and the cost gets passed on to all the catagories..Even if it is just one of them that causes the high rates everyone shares the bennies or perks
                Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                If it aint fast make it look good



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                • #23
                  Comparing NBRA & APBA insurance is like comparing apples to oranges. If you need the more expensive package then you need to race APBA. We never asked to be to be brought into this argument. We are not trying to recruit APBA clubs or members. If you decide you would like try our style of racing we will welcome your participtation. However if you think we are going to adopt all of the classes that is currently being run in APBA kneelldown racing. It is not going to happen! We have a class structure that works for us. It does include most engines allowed in APBA. But they are combined into 14 classes. Refer to our website to see where you would fit in.
                  Art K

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by blueskyracer View Post
                    Nobody gets it.. NBRA races one catagory.. Outboards up to and including SE so they get a good deal on insurance.. APBA has to have insurance to cover those plus OPC, Offshore, pros, unlimiteds and on and on..Of coarse you must have a bigger more comprehensive package to cover all that and the cost gets passed on to all the catagories..Even if it is just one of them that causes the high rates everyone shares the bennies or perks
                    Mike, I get it, I basically stated it. I understand why your rates are cheaper. As I stated it will be interesting to see where things go in the future. For me, I want to race the best as much as I can. The best in my class are not in AOF MRBA or NBRA, they still race in APBA. I have raced in other sanctioning bodies several times. It was great racing. I am also making the point that as an organization grows so might its costs.



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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CSH12M View Post
                      Mike, I get it, I basically stated it. I understand why your rates are cheaper. As I stated it will be interesting to see where things go in the future. For me, I want to race the best as much as I can. The best in my class are not in AOF MRBA or NBRA, they still race in APBA. I have raced in other sanctioning bodies several times. It was great racing. I am also making the point that as an organization grows so might its costs.
                      Having finally raced this year with NBRA and having done the two others if you are into Mod then try the NBRA guys..I really dont know what class you run but I am guessing CSH. Mod is the bread and butter of NBRA.. Never seen so many boats with pipes and I think with everything the price will automatically go up some day..Everything always does but I dont see any class structure changes or rule changes cause the plan in place is working..Rules are simple and they dont just let anyone start a club and join..You have to go to the National meet and give a business plan so growth will be slow and selective..

                      I will also say that at the Trout Creek race we had a person at the top of the boat ramp with bracelets, programs and waviers for everyone that came to the pits and we just happened to have a visit from Avista who own the water rights and they were impressed..

                      I also think that with sponsors if we can keep tow money intact that we will have a lot more cross overs.. Some of the APBA folks were impressed when they were handed a envelope with cash.. Some got up to I believe $485 in green..Everyone smiles then.. Plus at the drivers meeting we had a drawing for $50 both days just to show we appreciate themm showing up promptly
                      Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                      If it aint fast make it look good



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                      • #26
                        Look, I do not want a fight about this. Here are the facts for APBA Region 11. I am an APBA person and do not want to change. However, The clubs may be forced to survive. Currently the clubs run Stock,Mod /j/and Sport C OPC. The pros are all but gone. The 45's used to be a big class However, they are mostly inactive or race the Series races.
                        Our insurance rates for OPC of $3210 is killing us. We just do not have the entries to support the fees. So what do the clubs do? either raise the entry fee from $52 to ??? $75. Or better yet lower their costs. Where, is the question. Ambulance. Not really. It is per hour and we try our hardest to speed up the program. sanction fee? Not really a big expense. Water usage? Most charge a park entry fee and do not charge the club. Except Oroville. So what is our largest expense. Ambulance and Insurance. We are paying $722 more to place Sport C on the Sanction. With $52 entry fee it takes 14 entries to break even. Well we do not have 14 entries we have an average of 6. My point is we are paying $722 for a boat that is about 55mph. Heck an ASH will outrun a Sport C. I am not in favor of not putting them on the Sanction nor knocking Sport C. these guys have fun and are workers. We just need help. We need help or our the clubs will be forced to go in another direction, or worst case go out of business. if we had 133 entries like Eatonville this discussion would be mute.
                        bill b

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bill boyes View Post
                          Look, I do not want a fight about this. Here are the facts for APBA Region 11. I am an APBA person and do not want to change. However, The clubs may be forced to survive. Currently the clubs run Stock,Mod /j/and Sport C OPC. The pros are all but gone. The 45's used to be a big class However, they are mostly inactive or race the Series races.
                          Our insurance rates for OPC of $3210 is killing us. We just do not have the entries to support the fees. So what do the clubs do? either raise the entry fee from $52 to ??? $75. Or better yet lower their costs. Where, is the question. Ambulance. Not really. It is per hour and we try our hardest to speed up the program. sanction fee? Not really a big expense. Water usage? Most charge a park entry fee and do not charge the club. Except Oroville. So what is our largest expense. Ambulance and Insurance. We are paying $722 more to place Sport C on the Sanction. With $52 entry fee it takes 14 entries to break even. Well we do not have 14 entries we have an average of 6. My point is we are paying $722 for a boat that is about 55mph. Heck an ASH will outrun a Sport C. I am not in favor of not putting them on the Sanction nor knocking Sport C. these guys have fun and are workers. We just need help. We need help or our the clubs will be forced to go in another direction, or worst case go out of business. if we had 133 entries like Eatonville this discussion would be mute.
                          Sent PM Bill
                          Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                          If it aint fast make it look good



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                          • #28
                            I would like to see NBRA come to cail. Im all for that one Bill.
                            Lonnie Morris

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