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  • #16
    Jeff:

    As one who has been involved with the sport since the mid 50's, I sympathize with your feelings regards this race and attendance, or lack of, by racers from other sanctioning organizations, for whatever reasons they gave.

    That said, as someone much smarter than I said many years ago, "Don't let the B*^@%*D'S get you down". You have much to be proud of, especially having successfully pulled this off with a National sponsor, at one of the few purpose built lakes in the US built for boat racing. As important, if not more so, YOU GOT THERE FIRST, so everyone else is, or will be trying to, ride on your coat tails.

    I was involved with the initial meeting in LR Ar., for the formation of AOF, approximately 40 years ago now, when NOA was in the process of disintergrating, at least with their MOD and ALKY catagories. The other competition of course was APBA, which had many years on any other sanctioning body. One thing I found out many years later, was that a group of long time APBA Alky racers put great importance on what was then the Gulf Hall of Fame, records, both Kilo and Competition for different length courses, and of course Divisional and National Championships that had been held for years. For those reasons and others, the Alky group, at least the majority of them, chose to stay with APBA, instead of going with AOF. This was done for the supposed importance of being able to say that they were competing against the "best" even though then as now. many of the racers were attending any sanctioned race they could get to. The various MOD groups split between AOF and APBA until NBRA came along. Perhaps a questionaire asking for reasons of non-attendance would be helpful??

    The message here is do not underestimate the importance of sanctioned events that offer Kilo and Competition records. Everyone has to start somewhere, and in my humble estimation at least, you have a real head start with one of the finest facilities in the country with TV coverage weekly at that facility with the cars. Possibly your program will be on "The Edge" on the Speed Channel before too long.

    You have much to be proud of, as I said, and anyone who did not come to your race at the LUCAS facility was on the losing side, whether they put their boats in the water or not. You might even be better off for a while, until the other organization wears themselves out fighting with one another.

    Keep up the good work. Nothing succeeds like success.
    Last edited by bill van steenwyk; 07-10-2012, 08:09 PM.

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    • #17
      great work jeff

      Originally posted by thetrailergod View Post
      I do know that this race Was put on the schedule, and even posted HERE ON HR, because I personally put it here in APRIL of this year, as soon as I had a date for this event, Where have you been, it has only been the most advertised race here on HR this year, SO ther wernt any excuses for missing the posts about it, unless you all cant read. or just felt like not reading the posts because NBRA was putting it on, I worked for over 1 year to put this race on, and did logistics on the site to hold the race for 3 months, I didnt do all this work for The NBRA only , I did it all for the ENTIRE SPORT of kneel down outboard racing, to strenghten numbers of the sport and enlighten the general public that we even exist, I personaly am not missing the boat on races such as this was, Keith is absoulty right in what he said < I only feel sorry for the guys that could not attend this race because of illness, or very finacailly broke, I have NO symapathy for those of you that didnt come because we are NBRA

      i have to agree with everyone here. boat racers are boat racers. NBRA is doing a great job and i'm sure plenty of APBA folks would love for a chance to race at lucas. thanks for finding and promoting this fantastic race. any race this time of the year so far from home (a couple weeks away from nationals) is a tough one. my suggestion would be to try to plan this lucas race next year sometime in the spring. boats are repaired and race funds are in a little better shape. wheatland is 2000 miles from my house but count me in if you schedule the race next spring.
      Bill Dingman "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

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      • #18
        conflicting dates......

        it is impossible to get all the organizations, clubs, groups, etc to NOT have conflicting dates, as such. We all work with the availability of race sites as set forth by the communities, etc that control the race areas, so trying to schedule to make everyone happy will NEVER be possible. Don't think ANYONE would not attend your races because its NBRA, as that is non-sense, as we are all boat racers and love to race, no matter who is holding the race......

        I know here in Reg10, we have around 10 races a year (more than any other region), so trying to fit in more races at other venues (regions/organizations) is VERY TOUGH, let along financially feesible. If the Lucas race would not have been so close to the various APBA National's (Pro/Mod/Stock), I am SURE you would have had a good amount of APBA racers showing up, but since it is thousands of miles of traveling, etc, we all have to make out choices, of what to attend............



        now, I will ask a serious question..............since NBRA is somewhat a smaller organization (and well run), what do you think would happen if 5 times the number of racers attended and joined? As groups grow, it gets harder and harder to keep things so streamlined and managed, which I think is really the biggest difference between ABPA and NBRA........because the racers are all the same...........
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        • #19
          Originally posted by mercguy View Post
          it is impossible to get all the organizations, clubs, groups, etc to NOT have conflicting dates, as such. We all work with the availability of race sites as set forth by the communities, etc that control the race areas, so trying to schedule to make everyone happy will NEVER be possible. Don't think ANYONE would not attend your races because its NBRA, as that is non-sense, as we are all boat racers and love to race, no matter who is holding the race......

          I know here in Reg10, we have around 10 races a year (more than any other region), so trying to fit in more races at other venues (regions/organizations) is VERY TOUGH, let along financially feesible. If the Lucas race would not have been so close to the various APBA National's (Pro/Mod/Stock), I am SURE you would have had a good amount of APBA racers showing up, but since it is thousands of miles of traveling, etc, we all have to make out choices, of what to attend............



          now, I will ask a serious question..............since NBRA is somewhat a smaller organization (and well run), what do you think would happen if 5 times the number of racers attended and joined? As groups grow, it gets harder and harder to keep things so streamlined and managed, which I think is really the biggest difference between ABPA and NBRA........because the racers are all the same...........

          I think nbra would do ok because they are not spread so thin.. They only do kneelers and laydown in the stock and mod catagories.. They have no tunnel boats, unlimiteds, inboards, offshore pro boats and all the other classes.. The members know that all the money goes to their style of racing and nowhere else..
          Mike - One of the Montana Boys

          If it aint fast make it look good



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          • #20
            Purpose of my post

            In the past we have tried to schedule our nationals around apba races and the most trailers we ever picked up was 7-8 and that was one year. So since we don't get the participation anyway there is no sense in scheduling around another organizations races. That being said, my post was more about the fact of numerous phone calls and emails from people saying they are coming and then not showing up. I know it was scheduled against a stock divisionals, and we have plenty of stock classes but my post was meant more for all of the mod racers in the Midwest that didn't show up to support the sport, I guarantee all of them were not at this divisional race. I just see a lot of racers voicing an opinion on how to grow the sport but will do nothing to make it happen. This is not an official NBRA statement as I am not an officer or director of NBRA but a race director who sees a lot of guys not showIng up that I thought would be there based on their calls and emails.
            Keith Kampen

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            • #21
              Lucas

              We did have 82 entries in 9 classes on Saturday, not a bad average, but can always use more!!!!!
              Keith Kampen

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              • #22
                Like Bill said.... Don't let 'em get you down!

                I hate to start calling names because I'll miss some that are doing a lot of work but, Keith, Alan, Jeff (and many others) are doing a great job. Hang in there guys.
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                • #23
                  Bill, I am not down about all of this , I am more pissed. I guess I see more and more that racers want to just hand off any responsibilty to 1 or 2 people, and just to show up somewhere and race, then ***** about it all, and whine and cry about this or that. and even complain about how many races there are, or how far they have to go. What happened at Lucas would have AMAZED everyone, it did me, everyone in attendance, drivers ,crews, workers all were ready, to go. there wasnt any squabbling, no delays, no BS , a fantastic job was done by ALL , heck even Jack Stotts was impressed. I personally will continue to beat my head upon the stones, and get more of these shows , guess thats just what I do
                  Jeff

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by thetrailergod View Post
                    Bill, I am not down about all of this , I am more pissed. I guess I see more and more that racers want to just hand off any responsibilty to 1 or 2 people, and just to show up somewhere and race, then ***** about it all, and whine and cry about this or that. and even complain about how many races there are, or how far they have to go. What happened at Lucas would have AMAZED everyone, it did me, everyone in attendance, drivers ,crews, workers all were ready, to go. there wasnt any squabbling, no delays, no BS , a fantastic job was done by ALL , heck even Jack Stotts was impressed. I personally will continue to beat my head upon the stones, and get more of these shows , guess thats just what I do


                    Jeff:

                    If you haven't already figured it out, you are not by yourself. Every organization, not only boat racing, out of a 100% total membership, has 5-10% of the group does all the work, and the other 90% gripes about what the 10% do, and does nothing themselves. It is kind of like voting for politicians, if you don't vote, you have no gripe coming.

                    As I said before, and many others did also, you have much to be proud of. Large attendance in and of itself does not always indicate success. Sometimes clubs/organizations are better off a certain size and are also able to do what they do very well, WITHOUT certain groups of folks. Large numbers can be trouble also, if all they are is numbers without the organization's best interests at heart.

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                    • #25
                      Just been informed that NBRA will be on the schedule for next year at Lucas. Their will be a meeting in Aug. to do so. These dates will be out early. Lets see how many APBA races are scheduled against them next season.
                      Art K

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                      • #26
                        Keep doing what your doing

                        Just keep doing what your doing, it will grow as long as you continue to put on a good race. Try not to get down about people who say they will come but never show up, as long as you put a good effort foreward your hard work will be rewarded.

                        Kerry

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                        • #27
                          Bill - I agree - I call it the 90/10 rule in anything that has a group of humans running it - big boats , model boats, fast-pitch softball , even church -- prob allways be that way.

                          Anyway -- I personaly see the Lucas race as a snow ball at the top of the snowy mountain that just been pushed over the edge. As the years go by this should grow into an event that will require more days to be added to qualify more boats - AND prob the sponsor at some time want more than one a year. NBRA had a good showing for the first one and prob was a good thing they were not flooded with toooo many boats as the program , being the first , might not have been as smooth as it was - which was important to show the sponsor that NBRA was organized and knew how to run an event.

                          So be patience - look at the noise it is making - this year 30 trailers , next year 40 trailers , next year 5o trailers , etc. It will grow just on the fact that it is Lucas and it is NBRA that are working hard for success.
                          AND location , location , location

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                          • #28
                            Enough

                            If you guys want ASH and ASR in the schedule, ask. The beauty of NBRA is we can adapt quickly to anything. I had several phone calls and emails for the long course Nat's in Centrallia a few years back. They wanted to race the ASH and ASR classes there. I petitioned the board and commission in NBRA and we added it to the class structure with the same rules as APBA to make it as easy as possible to those that called. it was considered a National Class at that point. Guess what, none of them showed. So i don't feel bad the class is not in the line up now. But I will gladly entertain a proposal to add it if they show up. I am certainly not going to take anyones word that they are coming..... that has been proved time and time again.

                            What is happening at Lucas Oil Stadium ? Yes, they want us back, and that is about all the details I am willing to share about this. Bigger and better things are on the horizon, all we need to do is show up.

                            And Jeff, I will bet you a case a beer and a steak dinner that some race will be scheduled against the Lucas dates next season just to be vindictive. Some day they will stop hanging out their richards for a measuring contest.
                            Dave Mason
                            Just A Boat Racer

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                            • #29
                              Kerry, what the deuce....

                              Kerry, speaking of growth, where have you been?? I am blanking on your sons name...but I thought we had him.

                              When are you getting back in a boat?

                              12M



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                              • #30
                                Tell you what Dave ---- AS I have hope that "ALL" boat racers are reading and listening to the Lucas talk - that they will put aside differences and past or whatever and work hard to sch around the Lucas race -- so having said that - I will take you up on that case of beer and steak , if you like to bet with an old man

                                Andy

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