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  • First time in a hydro: Impressions

    Saturday, our fearless APBA Stock Outboard commissioner allowed me as much seat time in his CSH (set up with a restrictor plate as a precaution) as I wanted.
    Howie's dad graciously loaned me his Kevlar suit, which fit quite well as we are about the same size.
    WHAT I LIKED:
    1. I didn't crash the boat, or burn up the engine!
    2. The weather was PERFECT, almost no wind.
    3. It was fast enough to be fun.
    4. It was enough unlike anything else I've driven to give me something else to learn.
    5. The kneeling position didn't absolutely shred my back.

    WHAT COULD BE BETTER:
    1. Steering: Is it absolutely necessary to run so much friction pre-load on the steering hub? Even after they reduced the pre-load for me ( the first ride was SCAREY!), I still found it difficult to give the desired amount of course correction without sometimes overshooting due to the amount of effort required to turn the wheel.
    A larger diameter wheel would be one obvious fix, but I suppose that if that was workable, it would already be in use.
    Is the engine torque so much a factor that this (seemingly excessive) preload is required?
    2. What to do with your feet? I was wearing my closed-toe Teva sandals, as they were the most substantial footwear I own that still drain water pretty well. After a few rides, I found that I had to choose between cramping up my toes by maintaining my foot vertical, ( with the toes folded forward, as if getting ready to spring forward), or laying the foot over on its side, which resulted in a SORE ankle pretty quick.
    When I was a kid, I had a junky little 8 foot "skimmer" which had an inner cockpit sole with "D" shaped cut-outs for your toes, which allowed some depth for the front of your foot to protrude down into, and this worked quite well.
    With the modern design "sandwich" cockpit soles, has anyone else found a way to deal with this issue? Pictures and descriptions, please!
    3. Turning the boat: I think this is probably a learning curve thing. I equate this most closely to my snowmobile riding back in Michigan 35 years ago. My good old 250 Merc Snow Twister acted a lot like the boat did.
    Yeah, I fell off that thing a lot learning to ride it, too! :-)
    One other fellow tried to be there with his PRO lay down boat so I could see how I liked that, but it didn't work out, so that's still a question mark for me.
    Anyway, there's the good, bad, and the ugly.
    It WAS fun, but for me to want to leap right out and get into this, the issues I've detailed above need a little work.
    Also, I still need to see how this cornering thing works when bouncing sideways through 11 other wakes, and trying to see through their roost!
    OK, Your turn. Let me know what you think about my first ride, and the gripes I had with it.
    AND, after about the 3rd chorus of "that's just the way it is, deal with it!", I'm outa here!
    Thanks!
    Bob Cowgill
    Mims, Florida

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    hydro ride

    Once you get used to these race boats it becomes like breathing, you don't really think about it you just go fast and turn left. But you need to develop a good sense of where you are in the pack. It definately takes skill and you really have to love it.
    "Keep Move'n" life is catching up!
    No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session.

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    • #3
      1. Steering - each boat is set up to the individual drivers preference. While some load on the steering is required, the amount is up to the driver. When you have your own boat, you adjust the set up to be what is most comfortable.
      2. Toes - some of the new boat design do not have a floor board (kneel right on the bottom) however other boat designs do have a floor board (which would give you the ability to cut D holes or just adjust the floor board to your length and have your toes dangle off the end). Once again, you can pick a boat that best suits your preference.
      3. Turning - Not much I can say about that one. Each boat turns slightly differently and requires different driver input. Turning well is more magic than science and the only way to get better is practice. As a beginner, you should not expect to go flying into a turn with 11 other guys right off the bat. Experience is the best teacher and turning (and learning to hit the start, wind and water conditions, etc) are goals.

      Hoep this helps.
      Brian 10s

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      • #4
        Steering

        I find that you want to have just enough friction or drag on the steering to just overcome the force of the engine's torque. Too much your steering will be jerky and imprecise, but you need to have enough so you can let go of the wheel to grab another handhold if necessary. Nothing worse than not being able to let go without backing off the throttle. It is kind of a fine line to set as you really can't do it without testing. Just takes experience. In my last race I had it too tight and my driving was awful.
        kk



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        • #5
          Turning. Go to both of the upcoming Lake Placid races and run CSH. What worked for me was taking two five gallon gas cans and showing up the Friday before a race when the course was set up and there was a tow boat and I was one of the few boats on the lake. I drove around the course slowly at first taking my time getting used to turning. Each tank of gas I went through I tried cornering a bit faster. By the end of the day I was cornering much faster than I was at the beginning of the day. As far as 11 other boats, the most you will probably see here in Region 5 is four or five so it won't be too bad. After you get used to the feel of running around the course by yourself during testing, ask another CSH to go out with you. Run some laps two or so boat lenghts on his right back side to get used to the feel. Then run some laps going through the turn with him on his right outside. This is the easiest way to get the feel faster than trial and error. You can most likely do this no problem at Lake Placid if you talk with Carl Staron first as he is always very helpful. You can probably also get a bunch of practice runs at the starting clock there as well.

          Feet. I strongly suggest getting a good pair of leather boots, Army combat style boots. You want as much foot and ankle protection as possible. Army boots can withstand a direct hit from a Yamato 102.

          Hands. Get yourself leather motor cycle gloves for road racing. They will protect your hands and writs and you can still feel the steering wheel and throttle.

          Steering wheel. Everyone has their own liking of how tight to have it. As you do your practice runs, come in and tighten and loosen the hub to see what you like. You may need to do some push ups or light weights a few weeks before you race to get some strenght up if you are a desk jockey at work like me.

          Kill Switch. Make sure it is not too long and does not stretch too far for when, yes not if but when, you are thrown from the boat for the first time.

          Life Jacket. Put on your entire racing suit and jump into the water to make sure the jacket will float you. You need to know that there is enough floation for your weight. I liked the old Lifeline style the best because it would seem to roll me on my back when in the water. My new Security seems to hold me more upright.

          Cut Suit. Buy new and buy Security. I've seen a Yamato 102 cut straight through a brand new Lifeline cut suit. I have also seen a driver not get cut while wearing a Security after being run over by a Yamato 102. The Security suit had two layers of Kevlar and the Lifeline only had one layer. Also the Security had a box like weave while the Lifeline had a jean pants like weave. The more layers the better.

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          • #6
            I wanted to mention that there are a couple of guys in the Northeast with hydraulic steering. Zero feedback and you can turn it with your pinkie. Comes at a price though.
            Jake

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            • #7
              The steering was my fault. I like it extremely tight, everyone (almost) who drives my rig always asks or comments on the steering being to tight.

              Other than that the "rookie" did a great job and we look forward to grooming another new driver into our sport!
              444-B now 4-F
              Avatar photo credit - F. Pierce Williams

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              • #8
                Try a runabout...JK....Welcome to Boat Racing...taking the time to post about your experience means (@least to me..) That "The Bug" has been planted and has started to grow!!

                As others have pointed out as well.....seat time..seat time..seat time..

                Welcome!!! Glad your here!!
                Roger A 68M
                Team Casual

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                • #9
                  Glad you had a great experience last weekend, Bob. Howie proved, as he always does, that boat racers will help with anything we can to get that perfect first impression from new recruits. I ran into some problems and was unable to get the last powerhead together for the weekend. When we go to the lake, I want to be able to run all 3 350 motors during the test session. Also have a mess of props to try as another racer has helped with making sure we have a large number to choose from. Then the issue of gear ratios with each prop. Decisions, decisions. We'll get you out there yet. We only live 20 minutes from our test lake so the drive isn't so bad...............

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                  • #10
                    Runabout?

                    Eh? What's that you say, sonny?
                    Runabout? I am NO such thing, and if you say that to my wife, well, she will box your ears properly! :-)
                    Yeah, it was a good time! Thinking back, it really reminded me of a cross between snowmobiles and driving a strong kart on a loose dirt track.
                    I'm currently investigating a lay down boat as an alternative to the kneeler although I now know that my back WILL tolerate a kneeler.
                    Stay tuned!
                    Bob

                    QUOTE=Affholter66;193808]Try a runabout...JK....Welcome to Boat Racing...taking the time to post about your experience means (@least to me..) That "The Bug" has been planted and has started to grow!!

                    As others have pointed out as well.....seat time..seat time..seat time..

                    Welcome!!! Glad your here!![/QUOTE]

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                    • #11
                      Bob we run a lot of Laydowns over here in the Montana, Idaho and eastern Washington area in the CSH, C mod, DSH, SEH and D mod classes. Each time I build a new one they get more competive so we are getting them dialed in and they are fun to drive and do not tear you up..Adding up earlier statements I dont believe you are a spring chicken so a laydown is much easier on the body..I do not hurt anymore after a weekend of racing!! Also if you go with a foot throttle you can have both hands on the wheel at all times.

                      Just more options to consider
                      Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                      If it aint fast make it look good



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnsonm50
                        Interesting stuff, hydrolic steering, gas pedals & lay-downs. Tight steering, I never liked it till racing but if you have to re-grab the wheel & the boat goes 'off' never know where that can send ya... BT-DT. Bicycling is a good excersize to do as well as some upper body strengthening.
                        Amazing.. I guess we will see how you are feeling when you hit 60 and that is not MPH
                        Mike - One of the Montana Boys

                        If it aint fast make it look good



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                        • #13
                          heart beating, not blinking, eyes wide open, g force amazing, nearly put through screen when let off throttle, forces into turn painful, throttle wide open stacks out, all happened two quick. Want to go again and faster.

                          well thats how my first time in a hydro felt.

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