Dmr

[Jerry Davids]

We can go round and round with this all day, but in the end it has to be voted on. And to my knowledge only the APBA / 750Mod runabout drivers that raced this class in the 2011 race season can vote for the 2012 race season.
For the record:

Bob Dunlap 467 lbs
Jerry Davids 465 lbs
Steve Dunn 460 lbs? was working on the race course at the weigh in.
Bob Vliek 420 Lbs with my boat.

Talked to Bob V. ( My new driver.) and he said that if he had to put 60 plus lbs in the new that we are building he will not race. So thanks for all of the help getting a new guy started. Also for the record, this will be the third year in a row with this weight issue. Every year it gets voted down. Time to find something else to B-tch about.

Back to the shop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry

[modhydro]

New runabout

Jerry,

If the weight doesn't matter as so many have stated on this thread and in the past, why not just build the boat say 40 pounds heavier. If a weight was passed then he'd only have to add 20# which is easy to do. You have just coverd both bases.

Hell, since weight doesn't matter just build it 100# heavier and he will still be good no matter what!

Steve Roskowski

[Larry M]

Jerry,

If the weight doesn't matter as so many have stated on this thread and in the past, why not just build the boat say 40 pounds heavier. If a weight was passed then he'd only have to add 20# which is easy to do. You have just coverd both bases.

Hell, since weight doesn't matter just build it 100# heavier and he will still be good no matter what!

Steve Roskowski

Steve that is a good point! I ask what would be unfair to have a minimum weight and I have yet to get a answer.
Larry Mac

[mercguy]

Steve that is a good point! I ask what would be unfair to have a minimum weight and I have yet to get a answer.
Larry Mac

I have not heard one either, except for "hard to get help putting heavy boats on scales", which is a bunch of BS....................doesn't seem to be a problem getting DSH's on the scales with help and they have a 480 min weight..........

..........bottom line is EVERYONE knows weight DOES make a difference..................if one wants to race with no weight limits, then I am sure the PRO category would love to have them!! Every other form of motorsports has a minimum weight...........

also kind of interesting that CMR has a weight minimum that is apparently more than what the fast DMR's are running at...........hmmmmmm......



another hmmmmmmm............wonder what our DMR would weigh in at if Guido was the driver................370??????????..............y ou think he would have an advantage???????

[Bob Dunlap]

what a bunch of CRY BABIES!!
If you spent time working on ur boats and motors rather than complaining and sitting at the computer you might be running faster. 750 Mod R is the fastest growing and has the second largest number of drivers in the Mod division in APBA. And now you want to change the rules because u aren't winning. This would be a stupid rule change and this kind of thinking is the reason APBA numbers are in decline. I believe it was in 2000 when 750 MR was down to 4 or 5 drivers and the rules were changed to drop the weight rule and this is what has made the class grow. By droppping the weights the average size guy could run the class and that is why we have the growth. Well now the class is strong and you want to change the rules. Stupidest thing I ever heard, it's a good way to kill a good class.
If you want weights you need to be running DSR you would fit right in with all the crying u r doing. There is another class for big guys it's called 850MR and ur rig is legal in that class.
The last 5 years the Nationals have been won by guys that weigh way over 200 lbs and it was just in 2007 that Bobby Laws won the Nationals.
Regardless of weights, unless you work extremely hard you aren't going to win. I personally spend endless hours working on my equipment. I've built 3 Luce style boats in the last 3 years, but only the first was to George's plans, I changed the second and changed the third even more - all to get more speed. In the last year I've built 4 motors and only one ran as good as I wanted it to and I had to go back thru it twice changing things to get it to run great, and the other 3 motors I had to go back thru at least twice and I could only get one of them up to top speed. Try buying a new prop, I bought a couple this year and one picked me up 2mph and more acceleration off the corner. But no you want to penalize people that work hard and change the rules so you can keep up.
Leave our class of 750MR alone and it will keep growing.
We did weigh our boats at Tabor City as Jerry said I wasn't near as light as Brian had said. I thought my weight was 465 but I was in the boat and I couldn't see the scales and Jerry said 467, however I asked Jerry Davids who was the inspector at the race and Mark Wheeler and Eric Vanover all to come over and read the scales when we weighed my boat.
Again I question why u would want to change rules on something that is working?
We have voted on this twice before and it did not pass either time so I think it is time to drop this and get to work if u want to win.

[Dave M]

Quick Point Bob

Quick point, I did not start racing DMR because of no min weight. I started it because it was a flat turning runabout. And we could design a runabout to run with the same engine and props as the hydro took. That means it was CHEAP to run a second class off of the EH. In addition, you can do the same thing with an FER. Same engine, same props as the hydro if you want. I think this attributed to the growth of the class a LOT more than simply the weight issues.

I won't be voting on the proposals this next year, as I am not a current member. I did join for two weekend passes for a couple local races I enjoy and are not a long drive. So that means I won't be receiving a ballot. I still think if there are some dissentions within the 750CCMR drivers it should go to ballot, and the majority rules.

Have a great winter, and keep working hard !! It takes a dose of reality to be out front.

[jeff55v]

If you want weights you need to be running DSR you would fit right in with all the crying u r doing.

HA! The pot calling the kettle black!

[Matt Dagostino]

MOD Commission........

We can go round and round with this all day, but in the end it has to be voted on. Also for the record, this will be the third year in a row with this weight issue. Every year it gets voted down. Time to find something else to B-tch about.

Jerry

Perhaps after 3 years the Modified Commission should step up and say 'No Mas' and not allow this issue to keep going out for a ballot vote!! It seems unfair to keep the members on edge every year allowing this to keep going out to ballot! It has been voted down for two consecutive years. Time to move onto other matters.

Should this go out for a vote 'again' and pass our driver is done also.............

[RandY Aveline]

PUT IT TO ThE VOTE

weight no weight , makes me no matter as its mind over matter :<)

not Small mans class yet :<) lolol

if you think you can keep it on the water and together then lets race it 460 470 480 even 430 not that much difference if your motor , prop and setup good its still good used to race all day racing at 490!!
it made no difference, to light can get you in trouble fast if you cannot keep it on the water!!

i raced 58 lbs light 1 time ( forgot to weigh) couldn't keep it on the water in corners , barrel rolled it 2 times that day out of 10 test laps lolol, broken ring ,was done for week end lol too light can get ya in to problems if you try to get too light
we weigh at 470 with out any lead so bring it whatever :<)

Vote it

[dil/viller]

no---cryin!!!

boy's i didn't want to get caught up in the normal hydro racer thingy,BUT, gotta add a couple more cents to the topic. for dunlop to take a position that because there are different thoughts still on a issue constitutes' cryin', i read his written thoughts the same. only bob is cryin to protect his point of view. maybe if he was a little heavier he could hold his boat in a turn. and jerry , you race cmr with a weight and with your driving ability certainly should be able to overcome a minimum weight in dmr and as far as the new guy,to use a minimum weight as a xcuse to not race is his choice. it's a good thing we all don't use the same reason.the only 2 classes we would have would be dmr[750] and fer/feh[850]. i am sure there will be a lot more written and said on this subject before our mod commision decides if [they ] want this to go to another ballot. however if the commish'es decide because it was defeated last season therefore it would not be worth the effort this season an injustice would be served on those that see differently. balloting and voting is the right thing to do. i am out of scents, hi to the kaliforny kids[lonnie and the modkrotch]

[lngnckboatworks]

new guy

cant take it any longer. i WILL race no matter what the weight is. im 45lbs lighter than bob d. i still cant keep up with him. why????? my experience. my knowledge, my time in the boat. granted , i have THE BEST mentor helping me along. i wanna race this class only because it is wide open to an degree. if i ****house the thing ,thats MY fault, not the weight . leave it be!!!!!!! and let me build my first boat!!!!!!! BOB V

[blueskyracer]

I still think the rules should be frozen for 5 years for folks to adjust and catch up.. Maybe spend time organizing the rule book in a more user friendly format during that period.

[Racing Fan]

i still think the rules should be frozen for 5 years for folks to adjust and catch up.. Maybe spend time organizing the rule book in a more user friendly format during that period.

really?

[Top Gun 3-Z]

I agree with Jerry there should be a new rule if you dont run theclass you .cant vote on the rules in the class.Theres to many people with nothing better to do but mess with a good thing DMR.I could understand if people were getting hurt or something.But thats not the case people are just bored

[Merc1]

I enjoy racing this class, with that said what should the weight be? I have not seen any number yet?

Joe Franck 66G