Dmr

[Yellowjacket]

Whenever you ask racers to police themselves, they heavily weigh what is best for themselves or their own perceived advantage.

Great point. If you hold a vote you will always find a small majority don't want weight limts.

Anyone who is skinny thinks it will work to his advantge.

Anyone who is willing to sink a lot of money into an expensive composite boat thinks it will work to his advantage. (Yes there are other reasons to use composites, but the competitive weight advange is right up there).

Those two groups together add up to a majority and you wouldn't be able to pass a weight limit.

What those folks are forgetting is that no matter how thin you are, somebody is skinnier, and no matter how much you want to spend, there is almost always somebody who will spend more to be lighter and faster......

[Team B&H]

What those folks are forgetting is that no matter how thin you are, somebody is skinnier, and no matter how much you want to spend, there is almost always somebody who will spend more to be lighter and faster......

Since the lightest boat is probably owned by the guy who spent the most money always wins, why even have the race? Just weigh'em at registration so the prize can be awarded at drivers meeting and save time and keep everyone safe?

Or is there more to it than that?

[blueskyracer]

Since the lightest boat is probably owned by the guy who spent the most money always wins, why even have the race? Just weigh'em at registration so the prize can be awarded at drivers meeting and save time and keep everyone safe?

Or is there more to it than that?

I guess you hope they jump the gun??

[Yellowjacket]

Since the lightest boat is probably owned by the guy who spent the most money always wins, why even have the race? Just weigh'em at registration so the prize can be awarded at drivers meeting and save time and keep everyone safe?

Or is there more to it than that?

There's plenty more to it than that, and the lighest and most expensive machine doesn't always win, but your example is taking it to absurdity.

Weight is a significant factor in the performance of these boats.

To ignore that fact is simply denying physics. Ligher boats have the potential to corner faster. Given the same power the ligher boat will accelerate faster off of the corners and have a higher top speed than if that same boat weighed more. Force still equals Mass x Acceleration, at least it did the last time I looked.

To not have a weight limit turns the class into more of an engineering challenge, and that's ok, so long as everybody accepts the challenge. You just have to accept that if you are a heavier driver, or aren't going to pay the big bucks for a lighter hull, you are going to be at a disadvantage.

[Jerry Davids]

OK, I can't stand it anymore !!!!! Everytime someone starts to do good in a class, do we have to find a way to slow it down so that the Big guys can stay up with the pack? Here's a good idea, GO ON A DIET !!!!!!!! I've been involved in this sport for 40 years and it's the same old crap, his boat is too light , his motor is too fast. Lets find a way to screw up all HIS hard work. I have raced every class in the Stock and Mod catagories and I can tell you the 750 Runabout class is the safest class going !!!!!! It's not very often that I get on this computer but this thread has really got me going. If you want to go faster or at least keep up to the pack, get off the computer and get out in the SHOP !!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up this rule change crap and you can find someone else to stay up to midnight building YOUR boats and motors, I go Kart racing.

Back to the shop!!
Jerry

[mercguy]

OK, I can't stand it anymore !!!!! Everytime someone starts to do good in a class, do we have to find a way to slow it down so that the Big guys can stay up with the pack? Here's a good idea, GO ON A DIET !!!!!!!! I've been involved in this sport for 40 years and it's the same old crap, his boat is too light , his motor is too fast. Lets find a way to screw up all HIS hard work. I have raced every class in the Stock and Mod catagories and I can tell you the 750 Runabout class is the safest class going !!!!!! It's not very often that I get on this computer but this thread has really got me going. If you want to go faster or at least keep up to the pack, get off the computer and get out in the SHOP !!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up this rule change crap and you can find someone else to stay up to midnight building YOUR boats and motors, I go Kart racing.

Back to the shop!!
Jerry

pretty sure they have weights in go-carting too.........

[SAWYER]

It isn't all about weight. I have the heaviest runabout of all the east coast guys and we stay right there with them. It is about constantly working on your stuff. If you want every thing equal you should be running stocks. the Modified division is about just that, modifiying! So don't get into any modified class and think that you don't have to try hard as hell because you won't win in our neck of the woods if you don't.

[Larry M]

I have read all the reasons why some people don't want a minimum weight in DR. But I have never seen any reason why a weight rule would be unfair to anybody. The D-E weight in NBRA is 490 and it works.
Larry Mac

[T Chance]

Over 40 years ago the Pro Division removed the weight rule for all classes. There were the same words from the naysayer as today that only the little guy with a light boat could win. Well, the same guys remained winning without a weight restriction as before and the same guys that ran in the back stayed in the back.
In other words it didn't make any difference. But what it did do was speeded the program up as time wasn't need to weight boats and made one less rule for drivers to worry about.

[brian]

I have read all the reasons why some people don't want a minimum weight in DR. But I have never seen any reason why a weight rule would be unfair to anybody. The D-E weight in NBRA is 490 and it works.
Larry Mac

Logic? Logic? Why would we want to add enjoyment for more racers?

To all drivers of the dmr class please post how much weight you would add or how much you would be over the NBRA 490 weight.

If you think your weight is a speed secret... We know.

I tiped the scales at 605 at the stock nationals... My mod motor is maybe 5lb lighter. At 490 that is about 110lb you have on me. How much more do you need? Ps. Jerry. I am on a diet. Race at 605 to see who good your stuff really is. (Jerry, good work helping the sport...nothing but love for the work you do....thank you for selling a 750r every year. It does help the sport. I would hate to see you leave.)

If you do not post your weight how can we tell why you object. I bet Jerry D is around....465 bob d is around 435 George L. Around 460 and James L. around 430. Steve D. Around . Val??? I can not guess a girls weight. Mom says so.

Most of these boats will be racing near you this weekend. Weigh them and then speak from knowldge. Maybe you race at 490 already!!!

It would be fantastic to see everyone at 1 weight and then let the
best motor/boat/prop builder/DRIVER win. I will still enjoy finishing where ever I end up... Will you stop racing because of 20lb in you boat? You can take it out for FER!!!

[kampenracing]

Weight

I dont rhink that weight is such a big issue in the class. I have run DMR for a long time. This year at the NBRA Short Course Nationals I won the class at a weight of 540lbs, thats 60lbs overweight. At the Long Course Nationals in DR running a Tohatsu I finished 2nd overall and won the second heat weighing in at 550lbs. In alot of classes weight is a big issue, but I dont think its that big of a deal in the big runabouts.

[Dave M]

I Weigh In At

Brian,

Since you asked, in the NBRA ER class (APBA 750CCMR) I weigh in around 525 - 550. Depends on the scales. That was the norm for this year. And we are pretty competitive with any rig in the country, in any category. Kevin Macafee is also perhaps the fasted ER out there today. He found some speed mid season and never looked back.

But Jerry is right and all those that said those tht work hard at it will continue to win. That is true. If we had a reasonable min weight, we would have to worry a little less about shop time all winter.

I still firmly believe in the majority vote. If the majority don't want a min weight, then so be it. If the majority wants it, then put it in and do as Jerry says, get your butt in the shop and do some homework.

[Morris85C]

AN I bet you still will lose. Every year its the same old crap.Do your home work an stop trying to Chang the best class in mod.

[brian]

AN I bet you still will lose. Every year its the same old crap.Do your home work an stop trying to Chang the best class in mod.

I missed your racing weight? Reflective change is good...thoughtless change is bad. No change because it is change is just dumb. Closed systems always fail. Your race weight is?

Ok.... I will guess.... your boat weight is........ 443lb. I would be so good at the carnival!

[Morris85C]

My dmr 478 I all so have a dmr an hydro running at all the Mbra races an it is well over the 490 more like 525 an Dave does very well in it.Im very pleased with what he has done with the boats this year.What you need is a good boat good moter an a good prop A VERY GOOD DRIVER. THEN YOU MITE START WINNING RACES.The WEIGHT is not a very big factor.