Dmr

[PRO-MOTIONRACING]

This time of year many of the rules in outboard racing come under scrutiny and become the subject of much debate. One rule has always left me puzzled, why is there no minimum weight in DMR?.

With much levity I have come up with a few possibility's.



A. 44ci will not make enough power to get a big heavy runabout on-plane.

B. The class is for only the smallest drivers in the lightest boats.

C. We don't want adult men competitively racing outboard boats.

D. Safety.

[dil/viller]

wate,no wait, nooo weight?

the mod comm did send out a ballot on this last season. the proposal came from me. if i remember correctly only 16 voted with a tie result that led to its defeet, i mean defeat. i am still in favor of the weight,maybe someone else should again bring the subject up to the modsters for a change. any thoughts on safety? how bout the first turn? i remember one racer telling me ,it was his water-- take it from me. guess he is kinda rite,it is racing,[he still scares me], but also a accident waiting to happen. lookin forward to the stop being a _____ replys.

[bh/]

[QUOTE=PRO-MOTIONRACING;191168]
With much levity I have come up with a possibility

E; - we are all too old to lift them up on the scales

F; - the drivers are too old to get into the boats on the scale,
and some will not get out of their boat, making it impossible
to lift onto the scale.

G; -our scales would need to be upgraded to weigh DMRs

PS; -all above also applys to FEH/FERs

[deverhart1]

It is beyond me. I try to race DMR because it is big enough motor to push my big butt around but they took the weight off it so that I am racing lite boats with big motors and still in the back of the pack. I don't want to go as fast as some of the FEs go, so I guess I'll stay in the back and have fun. To bad not a class for big guys to be competative.
David Everhart S52

[reed28n]

no mystery

Whenever you ask racers to police themselves, they heavily weigh what is best for themselves or their own perceived advantage.

You will have a difficult time selling the fact that it would level the playing field and help the promotion of the class if it looks like a new driver could compete right away.

[HydroKyle93R]

Has anyone noticed that this class has grown in the last five years? Any one care to comment on how many accidents there has been in this class, and compare that to another class, another lightweight competitive class like OSY-400? Anyone ask the drivers of the class if they wish to add weight and lift them on the scales? OR even how much the "average" boat&motor combination weighs in at?

Leave it alone, please. Its a fabulous class as is. If only we could get some in Washington. I'm sure Meatball would love it haha.

[mercguy]

add a min weight!!

This time of year many of the rules in outboard racing come under scrutiny and become the subject of much debate. One rule has always left me puzzled, why is there no minimum weight in DMR?.

With much levity I have come up with a few possibility's.



A. 44ci will not make enough power to get a big heavy runabout on-plane.

B. The class is for only the smallest drivers in the lightest boats.

C. We don't want adult men competitively racing outboard boats.

D. Safety.

yep, a minimum weight should exist in this class!!!!!! I have seen some of those lightweight new DMR's built and they ain't built to last!!!!

put a weight minimum in the class and I might even race it once in awhile.........................there are PLENTY of classes for the lightweight drivers.............the big guys are the minority!!

BTW: I vote to raise the minimum weight in DSH to 525lbs!!!! Again, it s "big boy" class!



PS: I have read the bull**** about people telling the "big guys" to lose weight............screw you............the light people have plenty of other classes they can race (AMR, BMR, CMR, etc).........there is a reason there are min weights in carting, auto racing, etc..........to help provide equal competition!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daveracerdsh]

Dmr/dsh

First off....if you saw me run CSR at Yelm last month you would understand why I am the world's worst runaboat driver.....the thought of me In a DMR sends chills down my spine....no racers....it's not something you want to see. And I agree with Darren...the weight in DSH needs to go up. 480? Really? I can only think of a few people in the country that are even close to that weight. Maybe we can discuss this in another thread.....

[deverhart1]

I always thought it was more fun with the weight minimum. there was a considerable difference when I ran with the FEs. Now it seems as if some 44's are going as fast as the FEs. And I am not jealous just sayin it was more fun to be competitive. FE in a lite boat seems as fast as Pro 500 runabout to watch.
David Everhart S52

[Dave M]

Propose It

I quit racing the class in APBA and race it in the NBRA where a Min Weight exists for ALL classes.

I got real tired of watching a really light runabout (even with a big guy or woman) in it tend to want to blow over when it popped. If the boat is real light, the front will be harder to bring down if you encounter some unexpected rollers. Even the best and most experienced drivers will encounter this and crash.

Lets work out design instead of lets see how light we can go. I believe our evolution in the direction it is going, will not have a positive outcome. But that is just my opinion.

[drew79c]

Leave fer alone!

[modhydro]

Dmr

I agree that the class has grown very quicky the last few years. I also don't think that the light weight is the reason though. Hard work of people like George Luce who shared his plans with anyone who wanted them is what built the class up. Several years ago we had a small resurgence in the IOA with DMR. The east coast guys have built it up, built new boats, kept their old once on the water with new drivers. That is how I think it has grown. Another thing that I believe has helped it is the fact that racers want more bang for the buck. If you travel to a race, pay for lodging, gas, meals etc, why not put your D engine on a hydro and runabout both? I know in our club that is what I've seen.

As far as weights, I can see a minimum being fine. I would look more towards 500# as there are quite a few featherlight rigs now. For those who say you can't safely add much weight to a boat are full of it in my opinion. If done correctly is isn't an issue at all. A guy with a lighter boat will still have an advantage by being able to place the weight in the most advantageous location as well. Simple physics will always dictate that all things being equal, a lighter boat will be accelerate quicker. For guys who want the no weight class, there is FER.

What year was the weight removed from DMR and why? Did the class grow the first year with no weights and by what number? What is the history on this? Any old minutes laying around with the discussion on this?

Steve Roskowski

[Matt Dagostino]

How True................

Whenever you ask racers to police themselves, they heavily weigh what is best for themselves or their own perceived advantage.

The way to look at this issue is how has the class done since the weights were removed????? The answer is it has been one of the fastest growing and most exciting classes within the MOD Division.

Removing the weight has been the biggest factor in this growth. Why not put weights back in and screw up a good thing!............ Seems we always want to take a good thing and mess with it!!

George Luce and many others believe taking the weights out spurred the class growth and made it a COMPETITIVE and EXCITING class to watch.

My daughter races DMR as well as Abby Pond and Amy Sweeny on occassion. With no weights it makes it possible for them to go out and have a fun ride!! They understand this is a experienced fast class and the throttle works both ways and to drive accordingly!! Guess the MOD Commission has to weigh (pun intended) whether they want a dynamic growing exciting class in DMR to continue or just another 3 boat old persons class to plow around with 20 year old boats at 500 plus pounds??

If memory serves me, there have been no repeat National APBA Champions in the last 5 years since the weights were removed. Sounds like a level playing field to me?

[brian]

Here it is....

Let's grow the 850R class.... No one will stop racing 750r because they have to add 20lb to a boat.

Look at the points and the champs... light 44's win in 850R....Bob D. James L. Jerry D. Steve D. etc.

Count the true 850 motors.... I count 5 maybe 6 of 28. there is a place to race for a light driver.


05370 - 850CCMR
Rank Boat # Name City,State Races Total Points
1 BOB DUNLAP [SAVANNAH, GA] 18 7450
2 JASON HAY [WAYNE, MI] 7 3075
3 JERRY DAVIDS SR [HAMPTON, VA] 9 2994
4 STEVE DUNN [CONWAY, SC] 5 2269
5 JIMMY ROBB [WATERFORD, MI] 6 1625
6 SHAWN WEBER [SANDY HOOK, CT] 6 1419
7 DAVID M JONES [NORTH WINDHAM, CT] 4 1100
8 BRANDON SMITH [POOLER, GA] 2 1100
9 BRIAN BOYD [HUBER HEIGHTS, OH] 3 1019
10 GEORGE LUCE [E QUOGUE, NY] 3 750
11 MICHAEL COOK [FALMOUTH, ME] 2 600
12 DEBRA STONER [MILFORD, OH] 2 600
13 JAMES LUCE [E QUOGUE, NY] 2 525
14 MICHAEL W SCHMIDT [DURHAM, CT] 2 525
15 KEVIN BESONEN [WARREN, MI] 3 450
16 ROBERT LAWS [XENIA, OH] 2 450
17 DOUGLAS PEARSALL [MATTITUCK, NY] 1 400
18 JESSE RUEHLING [SAVANNAH, GA] 1 400
19 MICHAEL J FORINO [BROAD BROOK, CT] 1 400
20 RODNEY TERZINSKI [RHINELANDER, WI] 1 380
21 VALERIE DAGOSTINO [BOWIE, MD] 2 338
22 MIKE AKERSTROM [WESTFORD, MA] 1 300
23 ABBY POND [MIDLOTHIAN, VA] 1 300
24 FRANK DODGE [ROYAL OAK, MI] 1 225
25 COREY FOULDS [FT MEADE , MD] 1 225
26 BRIAN CAFARELLI [PORTAGE, MI] 1 225
27 RANDY AVELINE [ROSEDALE, IN] 1 169
28 AARON FORINO [BROADBROOK, CT] 1 0

[DebStoner]

Why is there a weight minimum in other classes?