New C stock class proposal

[Ron Hill]

New Class Should Have A New Race Format

At $8500, you will not get a bunch of new people in the sport to run at most 20-min a day on the water.

David

This class should have three, ten lap heats, with beach starts.

[Skoontz]

Ad into the mix, a minimum time for the overall race. Beach starts, but, if you go under the minimum, you loose seconds off your overall and your score is effected in some way...So, the second place driver could be the winner and vice versa...
Then you can create odds to bet on in an indoor closed course.

[Boatracer4fun]

You cant be serious

Beach Starts?

[Ron Hill]

Add Ten Pound Sand Bag...

I have thought, that each heat's winner, should ahve 10 pounds added before the next heat. So, by the third heat, one person would have twenty pounds extra or two people would carry ten pounds.

Weights would start over on Sunday's races...

I also think this new class should run their first heat first thing. This way people could coach them...Mid day they run heat two and last heat of the day would be C Bomber Stock (That is the name I've given Dave's Class)...

The reason for the name, I assume any new driver will be like a bomber pilot, causing havoc all over the place!

ADD: C Bomber Stock could race C Hydro during the day, too...

I think this class should be raced 2 inches lower than the current C Hydro rule...

[Boatracer4fun]

I have thought, that each heat's winner, should ahve 10 pounds added before the next heat. So, by the third heat, one person would have twenty pounds extra or two people would carry ten pounds.

Weights would start over on Sunday's races...

I also think this new class should run their first heat first thing. This way people could coach them...Mid day they run heat two and last heat of the day would be C Bomber Stock (That is the name I've given Dave's Class)...

The reason for the name, I assume any new driver will be like a bomber pilot, causing havoc all over the place!

ADD: C Bomber Stock could race C Hydro during the day, too...

I think this class should be raced 2 inches lower than the current C Hydro rule...

Why dont the class make Min weight 500, and plus like you said run 2 inches lower than CSH now. That will be real fun. Plus doing a beach start......

[Ron Hill]

You Can't Pull A Rope?

Beach Starts?

Beach starts could save tons of time...besdie, it is better than flag starts....and Region 12 seems to use flag starts most of the time!

[Boatracer4fun]

I can pull a rope....

Beach starts could save tons of time...besdie, it is better than flag starts....and Region 12 seems to use flag starts most of the time!

Think about all regions vice just R12.

[Ron Hill]

Let's Eee....

Why dont the class make Min weight 500, and plus like you said run 2 inches lower than CSH now. That will be real fun. Plus doing a beach start......

You started racing three years ago next month. I've heard you are taking the year off....Why? Average new comer lasts about three years...Why?

Do you have a suggestion to get more people to race boats?

500 pounds.....actually that might work...Sit down boat, with MOD 302 with electric starters....One Designed boat.

[Boatracer4fun]

You started racing three years ago next month. I've heard you are taking the year off....Why? Average new comer lasts about three years...Why?

Do you have a suggestion to get more people to race boats?

500 pounds.....actually that might work...Sit down boat, with MOD 302 with electric starters....One Designed boat.

MMM lets see........

Biggest reason- Wondering if 4 boats will actually show up to make it a points race....after driving 200+ miles 1 way.

Is that enough?

[ram95]

Let each class run on its own merit. So make the 20 SW a class on its own. List it on the sanction. If not enough SW's show up to make points, let any legal BH or BR rig run in the 20SW class. And let them be scored as a 20SW and get 20SW points.

If someday, 4 or more 20SW's show up great. But, still allow BH or BR rigs to run against them (for 20SW points though).

Trying to backfeed an engine (the 20SW) into an existing class does nothing but make existing equip obsolete and causes people to leave the sport.

If this were an existing fishing motor it would be one thing. But, the SW20 is an engine under development. How can Selewach hope to sell the thing unless it either beats the pants off the existing equip or can compete in a class all by itself?

You can't have it both ways.

Alex

[blueskyracer]

I have been working with a new person that really wants to get back in the sport after watching his dad back when he was a kid.

His big question and concern is why can you buy a 302 stock motor for a stock class and then have to spend another thousand dollars to have it reworked to be competitive. He flat asked why is it called stock when it is not????

I did not have an answer for him except that it really is a mod motor without pipes. I think if something new is started it should be a TRUE stock class. The only change should be a 9/16 shaft so they can borrow or buy any prop. I also believe the shaft should be 2" deep and the weight should be 500 min so anyone can run this class, have fun, and be a lot more safe to start out with. This would also allow boats to be built with wood no composits to keep the cost down.

Just my

[Ron Hill]

Why Change The Prop Shaft???

Don't do anything to these STOCK motor but inspect them to keep them stock...BECAUSE pretty soon someone blue prints the gearcase, then someone blue prints the head....pretty soon you have a $4,000 Yamato 302....

When the MOdle 80 came out they cost $318 including California tax of $18.00. I tried to keep the prop the stock Yamato prop to keep costs down...No the COMMISSION voted toa llow 9/16 props shafts and $250 three blades.........Who do you think was making the three blade props?

At the 1977 Nationals, I think we had 26 B Locals...NO POINTS just stock motors racing....by 1979, they had these motors all "BLUE PRINTED" and the class was never as large as it was in 1977!

DON'T COUNT POINTS, COUNT FUN!

[blueskyracer]

Don't do anything to these STOCK motor but inspect them to keep them stock...BECAUSE pretty soon someone blue prints the gearcase, then someone blue prints the head....pretty soon you have a $4,000 Yamato 302....

When the MOdle 80 came out they cost $318 including California tax of $18.00. I tried to keep the prop the stock Yamato prop to keep costs down...No the COMMISSION voted toa llow 9/16 props shafts and $250 three blades.........Who do you think was making the three blade props?

At the 1977 Nationals, I think we had 26 B Locals...NO POINTS just stock motors racing....by 1979, they had these motors all "BLUE PRINTED" and the class was never as large as it was in 1977!

DON'T COUNT POINTS, COUNT FUN!

Once the class is started and the rules are established don't let anyone change them. Very simple if someone purposes a change vote them off the island!!! Keep it STOCK and the only reason I purpose a 9/16 shaft as an option to be able to use the stuff that is avaliable out there now. With the small shaft you can use bushings for any prop out there. The prop and boat design will be the only variables. And you could just narrow it down to prop if the boats all had to be the same design. It would be just like Japan. All you can do is play with the props.

So in the end something like this. Very simple

1) Optional 9/16 shaft or not. NO other change to the engine, tower or gearfoot
2) engine depth 2" min
3) weight 500 lbs min
4) boat tunnel 36", bottom lift 3", Afterplane length72" Overall length 11'

[Islandmon]

So in the end something like this. Very simple

1) Optional 9/16 shaft or not. NO other change to the engine, tower or gearfoot
2) engine depth 2" min
3) weight 500 lbs min
4) boat tunnel 36", bottom lift 3", Afterplane length72" Overall length 11'[/QUOTE]

Let's assume the profile above was used, I'm wondering what what kind of average speeds would you expect to see ?

Sam,

[B Walker]

His big question and concern is why can you buy a 302 stock motor for a stock class and then have to spend another thousand dollars to have it reworked to be competitive. He flat asked why is it called stock when it is not????

You dont.

Template the foot, get the head down to spec, make sure the tuned pipe is flush and flat, add a kill switch tether, and set the timing and most 302's are ready to compete right out of the box. All that cost less than 200 dollars.

I have bought 6 new 302's and helped 8-10 others get set up and there was less that 1 MPH difference between any of them.

I have sent 3 powerheads off to get blueprinted and 2 came back with no improvement.

Buy it, run it, see how it competes, work on props and boats, then blueprint as a last resort.

BW