New C stock class proposal

[mdaspit]

You know, if you make it too easy to quickly replace a motor, it might be worth the risk to push the limits, because the penalty becomes not that big of a deal.

I'm just saying.

[HydroKyle93R]

Hey I have a better idea. Y'all ever heard of UIM's version of OSY-400. Dave, your class has merit and could potentially bring in and sustain new racers. However, UIM's version of OSY is basically the same class you have proposed, minus the Propeller limitations. The boats are proven safer with UIM reglations and the engines are bone stock as well. IF APBA were to adopt this version of the class, and dump the American OSY-400, I think this could in essence serve the same purpose...minus the claiming rule.

[B Walker]

hahahaha, Kyle is trying to get a PRO class with a weight specification.....good luck

What about OSR-400?

BW

[Greg Jacobsen]

Hey Like the Idea

The class with the largest growth in the OPC category is "Tri-Hulls" (www.extremetrihulls.com) This class is doing so well because of a "Claiming Rule". When everything else is suffering or dying in our category (OPC) this class has become a low cost, safe and fun option to participate. The claiming rule is the Motor, Prop and Bracket - Here is the key - There is a "King" and he decides all - that's what makes it work. Next year the class will grow once again as already several new participants have purchased equipment.

Your idea for a 302 class is excellent and could work for those that just want to race "Equally" - have some fun and feel like they have options - if they need them. This would keep the cost down to a minumum - especially if you included the props in the claiming rule.

The key is finding the "King"???

[22W]

hahahaha, Kyle is trying to get a PRO class with a weight specification.....good luck

What about OSR-400?

BW

Actually, even the class champion realizes that the current rules place too much emphasis on being light. I still race it to play with guys and gals I wouldn't normally see in CSH, (and maybe so that every once in a while a fat guy can beat Amy Nydahl!) but I know that people like me taking a boat ride is basically C2H. This class could be a lot of things, but it shouldn't be a world of carbon fiber boats and tiny people either. Even the UIM rules stipulate 180kg, which translates to 396.83lbs. Sounds an awful lot like 20H weight, eh?

I know that I would have to get really lucky to ever win at DePue in OSY, but guys like Chicago Paul might like a chance. And lets be honest, if there was a way to bring more people like Chicago Paul into this crazy racing world, we should be stepping over each other to make that happen. He has put more into this sport in his short tenure with us than most of us "lifers" have even attempted.

I realize that I have kind of gone off on a tangent, but maybe we should be making our big draw class OSY. It is already on the books and with a few subtle changes, it might make a great class for beginners and veterans alike. Min weight? Claim rule? Heck, I am just offering food for thought.

[garland powell]

spec class

I raced dirt track for some years and the spec motor class was a big hit. Just about all class have a spec motor now in car racing it dos work.Thay let u claim them after the race was over but there was a time limmit.and if u didnt give it up u lost all ur points and could not race for the rest of the year.In the 6 years i raced i never saw a motor get claimed most races went by the rules. I will go for it only if it gos the same for C runabout too if not im out.lol It sounds like a good idea thanks dave ur brave lol

[daveracerdsh]

thanx

I am so appreciative of the positive messages I have got on this proposal. What I hope people understand is that I am not trying to change the status quo on stock racing. Nothing will be changed in current classes. If I am new member and want to buy a Tohatsu D motor or a Sidwinder and go out and race..go for it. As per the current rules...nothing has changed. And, this is in no way a slam on the way things are right now. No way. This is simply a way to bring new people into the sport..and to throw a bone to those that are involved now..but that don't want to run with the big boys. All I want to see is growth...and by looking outside the box we can accomplish that. Dave

[propnuts]

A couple thoughts

First, I would love to see this raced as a way to give the new guy a shot at winning, but not at the expense of the regular C class, which goes the opposite way of class reduction. This is after all racing, you SHOULD have to spend some time and (perhaps) money to win. I have also heard a proposal from someone in SOA to run a "novice" C class open only to those that haven't won a race previously (or placed top 3 or whatever). This also seems valid, to have to race the caliber of C stock drivers we have in SOA and other clubs around the country all the time could get extremely fustrating. From what I understand a lot of winning has to do with propellers I think the best thing (and perhaps the cheapest) would be the J prop type deal, have the drivers draw for spec props.

If the goal is to even things up I don't think it can be done without a spec hull, and I'm sure we don't want to go THERE with this, especially in these trying financial times. The fact is that I could put my best motor, best prop, AND my driver in some hulls and there is still very little possibility he could win. I'm not trying to throw a wet blanket on the idea, just throwing out some food for thought.

[Ron Hill]

Mike Schubert and Family...

The class with the largest growth in the OPC category is "Tri-Hulls" (www.extremetrihulls.com) This class is doing so well because of a "Claiming Rule". When everything else is suffering or dying in our category (OPC) this class has become a low cost, safe and fun option to participate. The claiming rule is the Motor, Prop and Bracket - Here is the key - There is a "King" and he decides all - that's what makes it work. Next year the class will grow once again as already several new participants have purchased equipment.

Your idea for a 302 class is excellent and could work for those that just want to race "Equally" - have some fun and feel like they have options - if they need them. This would keep the cost down to a minumum - especially if you included the props in the claiming rule.

The key is finding the "King"???

Jake, when I was OPC Chairman and you had a HAND in running APBA, 1998, Mike Schubert spent three days talking Tri Hulls in Florida. He had Todd Bowden half interested.

The entired Schubert Family has backed this Tri Hull class. I think it is Mike that has been the KING, but also he's been the HEAD CHEERLEADER for the class also.

What I like about this class is they seem perfectly happy racing locally in Texas. They have no great DREAMS of a NATIONAL CLASS with 8,000 boats...This just want to have fun, and seem to be having it.

When they first strarted this class you could get free boats out of people's yards. the boats are now mosltly new as the Glastron lay ups with chopper guns weren't very strong.

BUT, Boat Racing in Texas is growing. One reason is PASSION...The Schubert family has the PASSION to make boat racing grow...

Our COR 2.0 had 13 boats at the Blue Water resort and Casino 300 last fall. We have several more several more being built....Old MOD VP boats, 2.0 Mercs with carbs and 26 CC heads, 1,550 LBS boat motor and driver...80 MPH target speed...Rod Zapf is our KING! COR's will be under APBA OPC, but ZAPF it is planned, will still be our KING!

I'll sell my Baker/Stoker with Motor for $4,000 and this is on the high side of entry in this class...

[Ron Hill]

The "SPEC" Inspector

I raced dirt track for some years and the spec motor class was a big hit. Just about all class have a spec motor now in car racing it dos work.Thay let u claim them after the race was over but there was a time limmit.and if u didnt give it up u lost all ur points and could not race for the rest of the year.In the 6 years i raced i never saw a motor get claimed most races went by the rules. I will go for it only if it gos the same for C runabout too if not im out.lol It sounds like a good idea thanks dave ur brave lol

Garland, I respect your ability to built and engine. If this class came about, would apponiting a "SPEC" Inspector be something you'd be interested in.

Or do you have a suggestion. Seems to me what would be needed, is someone who does NOT have an ax to grind (Doesn't built propeller, boats, motors or race the class....and Edgar Rose type)....So, when a question on a motor came up, this ONE person would look it over, measure it and say, legal or not legal...And explain why!

Yes, RACERDAVE I support your idea, just need some ground rules!

[Ron Hill]

On The Propellers

Seems to me that a claimer idea is OK, but:


1. No one could claim a prop 30 days before the SUMMER NATIONALS.

2. No one can claim a prop that isn't racing in that class, that weekend.

3. Certain races would be NOTED as CLAIMER PROP RACES. (So you'd know in advance if your prop would be claimed).

4. Top Five props at the Summer Nationals would be auctioned off at the Nationals....The money from the auction would go to the driver...

These are just some ideas I've had to put a little "SPORT" in the "SPORT".

ADD;

I also thought that a propeller diameter might be a good rule....Then people would not jack their motor up and run out of water...

[guedo499]

Not to be a complete smart-a$$, but I like to think everything I run is "claim-able". For the right price, everything is always for sale; what do you want to buy?

Correct me if I am wrong, but when the 45s were running a series in the early 90's, Gordie Miller's son came over to the Tri-cities, and Montoya paid him in 100's for the motor he smoked everybody with. That's how the "rest" of the field figured out how he was going so fast.

A claiming rule is not as much about the whole field as it is still about the man with the desire to go the fastest.

[sponsonhead]

Not to be a complete smart-a$$, but I like to think everything I run is "claim-able".

Not to be a bigger smart-a$$, but the fastest stuff that you drive is owned by other people. Do Dr. Dan, Jimi and Larry O feel the same way?



R-19

[Boatracer4fun]

[QUOTE=guedo499;172618]Not to be a complete smart-a$$, but I like to think everything I run is "claim-able". For the right price, everything is always for sale; what do you want to buy?

True!!

Im not knocking your proposal by any means.

....But I think before doing something like this, we should first focus on bigger things that need attention first.

[guedo499]

Not to be a bigger smart-a$$, but the fastest stuff that you drive is owned by other people. Do Dr. Dan, Jimi and Larry O feel the same way?



R-19

I like it!

The D stuff is mine, and yes I will sell it. The OSY stuff is the Byrne Brothers, and yes, they will sell it. The CMH of Daren's is for sale. You'll have to ask Jimi about what's left of the 20/C stuff after all the things I destroyed this year, but I'm sure he would entertain offers! However, I won't sell my original JSH/ASH boat or my favorite JSH propeller...

Take your and Kyle's CSR National win for example: you bought a great boat, knew what props to buy, had a good, stock motor put together correctly and Kyle drove two great heats! You had the desire to win and put the package together. You essentially "claimed" what you wanted and you got it! And to that, Congratulations! You had the will and passion to win.

I drove in another style of motor sports before boat racing and every class I raced was a claiming class. My car was bought from me no less than 10 different times. I was OK with that. But of those who claimed my car, it was only the individuals who had the passion to win, won, using my former car no matter their experience level.

From my experience, a claiming or spec class does not even the playing field; the fast are still fast and the gap between first and last does not become closer, but instead grows.