25ssr pudding stir

[Tim Weber]

We have the AXS pi$$ing match going on so let's start another.

The 20 CU Sidewinder is the new guy to the class. Let's make sure it can really compete. If it's going to be the motor of choice and the future then it better be the dominant motor.

Restrict the Merc again! It's fairly obvious that nothing can beat a really good Merc.

Add more weight to the restricted Yamatos. We are at 430 lets bump it up say 440.

It's obvious to me that we still need all 3 motors to even field the class. I fully expect the Yamato and Merc to be history within the class in 5 years but we are stuck with 3 for now.

No, I am not buying a winder. I'll still run my restricted tugboat.

Tim

[Islandmon]

Tim, don't knock it until you've tried it.................Im just saying .

[reed28n]

25ssr

Let the Mercury and the Hot Rod and the Sidewinder battle it out. No changes for this year. I think you will see regions developing fields of sidewinder only races. Give it a little time....

Lower the CSR weight and remove the Yamato from the class all together.

If you are willing to carry more weight in the 25SSR, I think we can get to that weight in CSR from the other direction witout hurting too many people. You will build the CSR class back to the fields of boat it should be.

Look at the podium finishes for 25SSR with the Yamato over the last couple years. How can someone be 25 to 30 lbs over weight in a class and finish so high at the Nationals? Well maybe being less than 7% over the minimum weight isn't a deterrent to run the class competitively.

Lower the CSR weight and attract the big boat 25SSR drivers back to CSR. 15 lbs would probably be close to enough.

[53-W]

I would be in more favor of getting the C boats out of the class and remove the side fins!!!!!! Then let the small boat Merc, Hot-Rod and Sidewinder fight it out for a few years to see what happens far as parity goes! I no longer have my good 20 cuber H-R that I used to be able to beat all the mercs and all the yamotos but Ross on a regular basis. Ross and I swapped out heats at nationals a couple of years in a row and I run a 20 year old rollup boat!!!! The H-R that I run currently is not as good and it shows that it is a little off.
Running the big boats with the small boats is also a safety issue. I run almost a marathon setup to be able to get over the rough caused by the bigger C boats. There is no way a rookie would be able to race 25ssr in a small boat with a field of C boats and not crash. I hardly ever run 25ssr any more becuase i do not like racing agianst the C boats and side fins.
With a new boat and a good H-R agian and no C boats I would be able to run with the mercs

53w

[kampkurz]

Leave CSR alone, please.

I don't have the lineage that some of the veterans have, but I do not understand messing with the CSR class weight in order to make the 25SSR class happy. Leave us alone, please.
So when I am ready to race more CSR short sourse, I now have to go to carbon fiber? No thanks, I like to work with wood. Just sayin' KampKurz

[Racerkyle20]

Tim- 25ssr at the 2010 nationals finished like this:

1-Yamato
2- merc
3- Yamato
4- Yamato
5- Yamato

FYI

I'm interested to see what the sidewinder can do eventually. Nuchio's was nowhere close to competitive at nationals. I heard Bobby Austin's is going pretty good. But other than that...Why mess with the merc? I don't see the winder being a problem, yamato's yes. Right now that is the dominate motor/boat combo.

[JP53-N]

Running the big boats with the small boats is also a safety issue. I run almost a marathon setup to be able to get over the rough caused by the bigger C boats. There is no way a rookie would be able to race 25ssr in a small boat with a field of C boats and not crash. I hardly ever run 25ssr any more becuase i do not like racing agianst the C boats and side fins.
With a new boat and a good H-R agian and no C boats I would be able to run with the mercs

53w

You should have seen what it was like trying to run a roll up B runabout with the ocean liner B mod runabouts at Lock Haven!!!! No thank you...I'm done.

[drew79c]

i don't have the lineage that some of the veterans have, but i do not understand messing with the csr class weight in order to make the 25ssr class happy. Leave us alone, please.
So when i am ready to race more csr short sourse, i now have to go to carbon fiber? No thanks, i like to work with wood. Just sayin' kampkurz

amen!

[Tomtall]

Hmmm

Running the big boats with the small boats is also a safety issue. I run almost a marathon setup to be able to get over the rough caused by the bigger C boats. There is no way a rookie would be able to race 25ssr in a small boat with a field of C boats and not crash. I hardly ever run 25ssr any more becuase i do not like racing agianst the C boats and side fins.
With a new boat and a good H-R agian and no C boats I would be able to run with the mercs

Peter Lauer has been racing his 25SSR merc. pakages in region 6 all summer in closed course and marathon with no saftey issues. He is a rookie driver this year in the class. He is smoke'n fast also.

[22W]

Please leave CSR alone. I would like to remind everyone that all drivers do NOT weigh 180lbs. Can we please stop building every class for that size guy/gal? Us big guys need a place to play too! Right Mikey?

[mercguy]

Agreed!!!!!!!

Please leave CSR alone. I would like to remind everyone that all drivers do NOT weigh 180lbs. Can we please stop building every class for that size guy/gal? Us big guys need a place to play too! Right Mikey?

leave the class alone!!! Seems every year they try to lower the weight for the class and it get turned down by the members................enuogh is enough..........

PS: Fast Eddie Hearn got beat by (2) Yamato 25SSR's at the Nats the second heat and they (Yamato boats) were running the 2 different sized restrictors allowed (1/2" for 405lb, 9/16" for 430), so does not seem like much needs to be done to the class........

[csh2z]

Put the 25 Merc in CSR

[wagner-racing16-s]

csr weight

CSR is made for the bigger guys. Here is an idea if your skinner race the smaller classes. Whats the safety concern will adding 25 plus pounds of lead to the boat? It's like your just along for the ride. I just put weight on so that it would make the ride hopefully a lot better. If you wanna lower the weight then go race 25ssr with a SW.

[Big Don]

Bring back C2 also.

[Gunjumper]

Leave all 3 in 25SSR, the Sidewinder WILL continue to get faster and get into the mix with the Yamato and Merc, no doubt about it. Restricting the Merc? Why? Yes Eddie has more top than any Yamato, but the fastest boat doesn't always win the race. He has to start and get through the same course and same waves we do with a smaller lighter rig. There is a pro/con to every motor option. A restricted Yamato won the Nationals in 25 in '07 by me and in '10 by JM Kelly, so winning without a Merc on the transom is possible. As for CSR, leave it alone, why lighten up a class made for the larger guys, as a lighter guy I have 3 other classes to run safely in: A/B/and 25. Lets not limit the possible classes for the 200+ lb club. This coming from a 175lb driver that races A/B/C/25, having to put 50lbs. of lead in the C to be legal. I don't think now is the time to disrupt what we have. Instead, lets funnel people towards the more popular/full classes and have some better racing, check out Mikey H's post on the other thread about the heats/classes/$ possibilities, good stuff! GL