What happen to all the west coast Revolution boats?

[raceright]

doesnt seem like they back-up there product to well...like some other raceing parts makers in this sport

True and not true...
I would like to think if boat builders and engine distrubtors made the profit they should they would stand behind things a little more--but this is not so
all to often.
Konny replaced a complete engine for me that was destroyed (no cost)
also did a unit (again no cost). so some do the right thing. I have had over the years simular problems with other MFG and was told thats racing. Interestling enough Konny's prices were the best.

Pat Wright

[pro350hydro]

True and not true...
I would like to think if boat builders and engine distrubtors made the profit they should they would stand behind things a little more--but this is not so
all to often.
Konny replaced a complete engine for me that was destroyed (no cost)
also did a unit (again no cost). so some do the right thing. I have had over the years simular problems with other MFG and was told thats racing. Interestling enough Konny's prices were the best.

Pat Wright

That's Amazing. I like hearing stuff like that!

[HRTV]

Disclaimer:

I did not start this thread to bad mouth the folks that build Rev boats, I was only interested in hearing what happen to the Rev CSH boats that I saw photos of last year.

[Racerkyle20]

Where did all the carbon fiber Rev boats go? just wondering.

I think the main problem with the revolution outboard boats is in your post..."carbon fiber" was not their main materials being used. Most boats were fiberglass and heavier than a lot of people wanted or were promised.

Like Pat Gleason mentioned earlier. Anarchy boats are carbon and we are working on at our own pace to produce #1. It's been a process and continues to be only because we want to make a good CSH for myself and others when we start taking orders.

[form-e one]

i agree not to bad-mouth one factory but as a whole i think boat and engine and gearcase builders need to step-up and stock parts to support there product and stand closly behind what they sell not stand way way far behind there products,,, especially if we trying to get new people nterested in the sport,,, hec buy a new prop from some reputable prop makers and i bet ya 100$ the rake is not right hence your boat go's sideways.... i mean hec who do you steer new people to where to buy good boat raceing products???? as i said earlier the orange rev runabout at nats looked pritty good then again ime not a runabout driver,,,, maybe soon though,,,,,

[csh2z]

I had Brad Walker's yellow boat here to do some testing, which I never got around to, but I did study the boat some. I took some quick measurements and it didn't seem to match up with any CSH I'd recommend. The bottom is 37 1/2" wide, the chines were 70" from the back of the sponsons to the transom. That's not a good combination for a safe ride. Add to that, the balance point was too far forward meaning the bow was too heavy. The chine and sponson chine angles were also a unique combination. The boat was delivered with all hardware installed, the steering was set up with a small hub wheel and the cables were run indirect, that will leave a bad taste in your mouth every time, usually the taste of the river. It appeared as though the transom was rebuilt but I don't know the history. By the time I got this far , I really had very little interest in actually going for a ride. I recommended to Brad to cut the transom down a couple of inches to make sure the boat didn't go fast enough to endanger anybody, and get some people some rides. I believe the boat will be relatively safe in the 60 MPH range but not what I would consider race able on most courses.

[roperz111]

However, we devoted most of this summer to get the new MJR up and flying.

Would this be the MJR that won the SO CSH Nationals and also passed the gun jumpers?

[drbyrne55]

However, we devoted most of this summer to get the new MJR up and flying.

Would this be the MJR that won the SO CSH Nationals and also passed the gun jumpers?

Yes. Still a few more things to test ... just trying to find time!

[pat]

Arltra-Light

Any be'n built or are they collector items like my Altra-lite?

PS...Heard someone had the Altra-lite mold in Washinton....Any updates?

I spent a lot of time at Matt Arlt's shop when he was building Blair's SST-60 and probably saw at least 8 carbon hydros and a couple of runabouts being built. He took me through the entire building process to build his "panel" boats and was one of the first to support round sponson tips as a safety feature which he recommended to most customers. He had two molds leaned up against the wall and admitted that they could not perform at the same level as his foam cell/carbon panel boats...different geometry and heavier. Even Gary Pugh was interested in Matt's approach to carbon fibre contruction for his safety cells. Matt learned much of his trade from Jamie Auld who would also drop by the shop from time-to-time for a chat. Even though Matt stopped building boats a few years ago, the rest still have not caught-up to his creativity.

[hoss117ce]

ordered my csh in march...still waiting

[bill boyes]

Did you give Jason any money?

[stu_racing]

Too bad you didn't get the second last boat to come out of Matt's molds. It is a whole lot closer than the Rev boats to you and is a proven hull.

[HydroKyle93R]

I had Brad Walker's yellow boat here to do some testing, which I never got around to, but I did study the boat some. I took some quick measurements and it didn't seem to match up with any CSH I'd recommend. The bottom is 37 1/2" wide, the chines were 70" from the back of the sponsons to the transom. That's not a good combination for a safe ride. Add to that, the balance point was too far forward meaning the bow was too heavy. The chine and sponson chine angles were also a unique combination. The boat was delivered with all hardware installed, the steering was set up with a small hub wheel and the cables were run indirect, that will leave a bad taste in your mouth every time, usually the taste of the river. It appeared as though the transom was rebuilt but I don't know the history. By the time I got this far , I really had very little interest in actually going for a ride. I recommended to Brad to cut the transom down a couple of inches to make sure the boat didn't go fast enough to endanger anybody, and get some people some rides. I believe the boat will be relatively safe in the 60 MPH range but not what I would consider race able on most courses.

John, I'll agree with what you have found. the design was not ideal, by any means. the boat(s) we ran did have a reputation for riding too low in the nose as well as an interesting way of "hooking up" sometimes. That usually resulted with one of us in the water. I was lucky enough to only end up out once.

On the bright sunny yellow side of that boat, however, I will say that the boat (after modifications to the air traps) corners phenomenally well. Except, the sponsons rarely rode above the water. This one was the most stable of the 3 we had and only one incident occured with this boat, as compared with the green one. Discalimer: I'm not by any means impugning the integrity of the driver of the green boat. Merely, I'm saying this one was better and required less modifying.

To all: I have driven all kinds of CSH's for at least 5 years now. B&H, Dawecraft, RunneCraft, Bezoat, Karelsen, MJR, O'connor, Arltralite. You get the idea. I would recommend one of the above. The Revolution CSH truly needs changes to the mold or plug, whatever, to be a SAFE, RELIABLE, and LIGHT ride. The inconsistencies we found with the designs we were given made it too difficult to make one work perfectly, every time.

Another Disclaimer: I'm not just here talkin **** about Revolution Boats. the boys build some pretty solid 45's. But as far as construction and design of the C's, it needs revision.

[bh/]

Mercury has Faith;

Mercury News 08-10;

Demand for the Mercury 60 EFI Formula Race race outboard continues to grow worldwide. Mercury Marine's outboard manufacturing plant in Suzhou, China recently built the third annual batch of engines destined for powerboat racing throughout the world..... ...the American Power Boat Association has ordered an additional three engines for testing and promotional purposes. The sanctioning body over powerboat racing throughout North America has successfully finished testing on the Gary Pugh-designed plug for a one-design tunnel race boat designed specially for the 60 EFI FormulaRace engine. The boat will be built by Revolution Tunnel Boats in California. The APBA is planning to debut an all new Formula 60 race class next year.

[Al Peffley]

White CSH & My Observations

A Washington State Trooper named Mike is running the white Revolution CSH in Region 10. He is not a big guy. He is using a steering wheel extension post and running the hydro from mid-ship in the combing to keep the nose up. He is getting more competitive in OSY-400 with each race.

All of the larger Revolution PRO boats we received in the Northwest were definitely nose heavy and generally hard to turn (with a variety of turn fin configurations and props tested.) Most of the hull interiors are also still too narrow at front (about 16-17 inches at the widest.) I think Denny still owns the first 250cc boat that was sent to Lee Tietze just before I left for Florida and bought my used Mostes from the Cremona's at the F-250 World's Cup in 2008. My shoulders are too wide to fit in it. I saw the original CAD drawings that Derek made for the boat before the first 250/350H model was built. The Revolution team modified the stubby nose design to their own "signature" nose shape and changed some of the frame component materials and integration plans. Their mods made the CG point too far forward and the frame too heavy. Comparing the Revolution with the Mostes, many of the Euro bottom features were either eliminated or modified in the first 250/350H hulls. Marc Johnson and Tom Cronk designs are both very close to the successful Trombetta and Mostes hulls' bottom features. They have both done a lot of necessary R&D design improvements with their customers' boats, in-situ, at numerous USTS race events. Their hulls are quite competitive and reasonably light weight (my wooden Mostes would not be considered light weight by most racers, but it is very stable in rough water.)

One of the winning GrEp composite 'Betta hulls has stress-cracked below the water line (down the keel). After talking with both boat builders and engineers, I now think that outboard race boat builders need some composite sandwich panels that have a strong light-weight core, a S-glass outer skin, and a GrEp inner skin to produce a hull that will last more than one or two seasons for the average outboard boat racer. The Key to building light weight boats is combining light weight wood frame elements (and/or aluminum components) with dissimilar composite materials for the central, boxed combing & afterplane bottom structure with a GrEp upper nose and S-glass or wood bottom plate from the lift break (just behind the steering wheel location) forward. I think light-weight sponson frames and decks are still made best (and lightest) with quality Okume plywood and exotic wood frames. Modular, formed-composite sponsons could be made from high-tech, molded nano-composite materials but there isn't enough of an application market to make the R&D, manufacture, and hull design integration of them into outboard race hydroplanes economically feasible for the developers.

I have learned that my wooden-hull Mostes turns incredibly quick (and precise) at high speed -- however, it "submarines" at very low speed turns because of the driving position and no built-in front hull buoyancy like comparable (and longer tip sponson) US "pickle-fork" hydro designs. The Euro hydro hull design (OSY and O-250) takes more patience and skill to use in a clock start race because it was not designed to mill at lower speeds for some clock start situations.

Al