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    APBA Stock Outboard Steering Committee


    This Committee was established for introduction at the January 2007 National Meeting.
    It was my idea. I approached Ed Hearn to create this committee for the purpose of developing a plan for the future of Stock Outboard and maintaining continuity from one commission to the next. Historically, as commissions change from year to year so does the concept of what the goals of the category should be. Because of this, progress is slow and never achieves the intended results. Ed agreed and created the committee and appointed me as the chairman. We then agreed that I would choose three people to serve and he would choose three. I chose Scott Reed, Dana Holt and Mike Johnson. Ed’s choices were Bob Trolian, Dave Schubert and Gary Romberg. These people were chosen based on their experience, locality, insight and credibility among the racing community. We also agreed that this committee should remain intact for five years and then be evaluated according to the needs of the category. We realized, of course, that as leadership changes, a chairman cannot be forced to maintain this committee.

    The committee got together through many e-mails and conference calls to develop a philosophy and set of goals that we felt were important and achievable in preparation for the National Meeting. Of course, most of us had known each other for many years and had previously discussed informally, all of the recurring issues we’ve experienced in the past thirty or forty years at many different levels of participation. It didn’t take long for us to agree on some of the basic concepts that we believed made APBA Stock Outboard the most popular and most competitive racing category in the boat racing world.

    Here is what we came up with for our introductory presentation at the 2007 meeting.

    “Our purpose is to guide and advise the SORC through the process of making decisions that will shape the future of our sport and to make specific proposals and recommendations to accomplish these goals.

    Many of us have been involved in the political side of APBA for many years, yet the problems we face now are the same problems we faced thirty years ago. Thirty years ago every active region in Stock Outboard could sustain its own race without having to draw participation from neighboring regions. Unfortunately, at that time we did not anticipate or prepare for a dramatic decline in membership. I truly believe that we can grow our sport, not only to that same level, but exceed the participation levels of our heyday. I believe that we should treat our sport a little more businesslike. Every successful business has a business plan. Most business plans are a five year plan to set goals and define the means by which they should be achieved.

    GOALS

    A. Create a philosophy for Stock Outboard.
    Example: Should Stock Outboard have multiple motors per class controlled by parity committees or should the goal be to have only one motor per class? How many classes should we have? Should the J classes be back in S.O.? Basically, we need a class structure that makes sense.

    B. Create a strategy for growth and promotion of S.O.

    C. Get the SORC on track to becoming a pro-active decision making body rather than re-active.

    D. Develop class standards. Not necessarily for elimination, but for evaluation of a class.

    E. Lay out short term and long term class structures, and a system to transition from were we are to were we want to be.

    F. Create a finite method for the phasing in and out of motors specific enough for the membership to prepare for their racing future.

    G. Look into finding ways for struggling clubs and Regions to reduce the cost of hosting events. Local racing is the key to our growth.

    H. Create a network of mentors to help new members and a way to funnel used equipment to a single source.

    I. We also need to influence the APBA BoD to make some changes in the way we do certain things; I.e. the way we elect our commissioners has made it difficult to accomplish long term goals.

    GUIDING PRINCIPLES

    Plan for the future
    Bring in new motors on a schedule
    Ease older motors out over time
    Make time for the transition

    Focus on in-production motors
    Place new motors appropriately
    New in-production motors are promoted by the SORC

    Make the race day easier
    Fewer classes
    Simpler inspection
    Understandable program for spectators

    Aid the growth of the Stock Outboard category
    Show potential racers a stable class structure
    Have readily available equipment with a known lifespan
    Better learning opportunities for novice drivers

    CLASS GOALS

    ASH/ASR - Transition to the Sidewinder “A”

    BSH/BSR - Transition to the 15 c.i. Sidewinder and 15 c.i. Hot Rod
    Rename 15SSH/15SSR

    20SSH / 25SSR - Transition to the Sidewinder 20 c.i. and 20 c.i. Hot Rod
    Re name BSH/BSR

    CSH/CSR - Continue use of the Yamato 302 & 102 until no longer viable

    25SSH - Continue with the Mercury 25XS until no longer viable

    DSH/DSR - Continue current goals of achieving parity with both motors until no longer viable

    45SST - Continue with the OMC 45SS motor until no longer viable


    By the end of the 2007 meeting we were encouraged by the support of most of the commission to proceed on our course. There was, of course, some opposition, skepticism and controversy as expected, but for the most part the response was positive. All totaled between the 2007, 2008 and 2009 National meetings the Steering Committee proposed nearly thirty rule changes and those commissions shot down about seventy percent of them, so you can see we do not make decisions, the elected commissioners do. Our job was to make a plan and offer recommendations for the commission to consider. Most of the time the criticism was we were trying to move too fast, in some cases that may have been true, in others though, moving fast was very important to achieve our goals. I’ll explain that in more detail later.


    WHERE ARE WE NOW? (January 2009)

    As we begin our third year we are happy to report that we are well on our way to accomplishing the most difficult aspect of our goals. Over the last two years we have defined a vision of what Stock Outboard will look like in years to come. This vision includes NEW motors available for every Stock Outboard class, and eventually achieving the goal of having only one motor per class; ensuring a level playing field, and therefore maintaining the highest degree of competition in the sport of boat racing.

    The Stock Outboard Promotional Committee has been reinvigorated with projects beginning with Stock Outboard trailer stickers, and Stock Outboard banners for all Regions, to on-line promotional materials available to all of our member clubs.

    The SORC has been focusing more on the future and addressing the challenges we face rather than merely reacting to what has already happened. We have been looking to the past, not to point fingers and throw blame, but to learn from our mistakes and most importantly, fix them. Probably our greatest achievement to date is that we can portray to new prospective boat racers that our future is well defined; so all of us can make wise decisions and good investments for a long term racing career.

    There is still much to do. We have been discussing all the other goals we have laid out for ourselves and will continue working until we achieve them. We have numerous proposals to introduce this week, nothing that you haven’t heard before just following through with the program we began two years ago. We appreciate your support, we know that change is difficult, but I’m sure together we can make this all work out for the betterment of the sport.
    John Runne
    2-Z

    Stock Outboard is all about a level playing field.

    True parity is one motor per class.

    It's RACING, not just another boat ride!

    NOT a representative of Racing Outboards LLC.

  • #2
    Our view on some of the more controversial issues facing our future.


    One or multiple motors per class:
    Definitely one.
    A class is defined by its motor.
    Single motor classes provide the most level playing field and in the long run require the least investment.
    It creates the highest level of competition in its purest form while necessitating fewer rules.
    Having multiple motors in one class creates many problems. The most obvious, of course, is parity. Achieving parity with motors not specifically designed for that purpose is extremely difficult to do. Many would say even impossible. In a racing environment, where competitors are constantly working to improve the performance of their equipment there is a natural evolution, as time goes on we find more and more ways to improve our performance. When you have two or three motors in a class, each motor has designed differences that create strengths and weaknesses for each motor. Naturally as a competitor, you are going to take advantage of your motors strength and work to improve the weaknesses.
    Usually the first step is to ask the commission to find a way to restrict the more dominant motor. So, after much "debate and testing to get data", they put a restrictor behind the carburetor essentially punishing all the guys that had worked hard and spent money trying to be competitive. Then, by the end of the following year the guys that initially had the slower motor are dominating so now we have to change the size of the restrictor, after more "debate and more testing for data", of course. Now all their new props are obsolete and they have to spend more money. In the mean time the guys with the originally dominant motor have been testing and spending more money to try to keep up. Then they find that one motor is better on a big course and the other is better on a small course so they ask the commission to take another try at parity by lowering the transom height on the more dominant motor. After more "debate and testing for data", they realize that won’t work because that motor is used in another class and it would be too great a hardship to change setups between classes. I know, let’s add more weight! If this example is exaggerated, it isn’t by much. It's no wonder people quit.
    Where does it end? How many hours can you spend at the National meeting discussing something that has no reasonable solution? How many more classes do we have to do this to? Achieving parity is not a one time thing. It has to be dealt with on an ongoing basis. Every time you make a rule change, you are punishing people that have worked hard and spent money to win. Then the next year you screw the other guy. Then you hear the complaints about, too many rules! Why can’t we just take the politics and agendas out of this and just “run what you brung!”
    The point is that we have been lowering our standards and the quality of our program for the benefit of very few. The volunteers that we send to the National meeting every year should not be spending their valuable and limited time having to micro-manage the speed and performance of every class, while the real issues of growth, promotion, safety, improved race management, cost reduction, membership retention etc. hardly even get discussed. I know that there are enough intelligent people in that room every year, that if focused on the real important issues we face, many of these other problems will just go away.



    The Merc in “A”

    There are many very good reasons to discontinue the use of the Merc in our A class. The first, of course, is the introduction of the Sidewinder. At the National meeting in 2006 the SORC asked Racing Outboards if it was possible for them to manufacture an A motor. Obviously, the answer was yes. So began the process.

    •It was decided that the Sidewinder would be the motor of choice for the A class. Based on our goal to eventually get to one motor in the class we believe it is in our best interest to eliminate the use of the Merc as soon as possible. As I stated earlier, there are times when moving fast is very important and this is one of those times. Currently very few people try to compete in A Stock with their Merc. In most cases it is only done to get another ride or to help fill the field. We first proposed the phasing out of the Merc at the National meeting in 2007Our primary reason for trying to do this so quickly was to prevent people, particularly new racers, from buying a motor that was not competitive and was planned for elimination in the near future. We don’t want new racers to get screwed because they don’t know what’s going on or they don’t know what is coming in the future. The most important part of our proposals in 2007 was to introduce new motors and create a schedule to phase out older motors with as much advanced notice as possible so that racers could make informed decisions based on a known schedule. The phase out process would be a three year notice that a motor will no longer be eligible for use in a class.
    •Another reason we felt it was important to eliminate the Merc is because we don’t have primary control of the technical rules currently being imposed by the J category. The J committee has never approached the SORC with any of there proposed changes for the Mercury (rings throttle linkages, plugging etc.). The Merc belongs to them. It is the motor of choice for both the J and AX classes. They are going to deal with things their way, as they should, but some of the things that they may do and have done already, may not be the way Stock Outboard would necessarily agree with. This creates conflict and that, we don’t need. We have an opportunity with new motors to keep Stock, STOCK. With the Merc, it’s already too late.
    •Motor availability. . The motor is not available through any USA dealers. It is manufactured for overseas markets and somebody from Mercury has done APBA a favor and sold a few at a time to convert. There is no guarantee by either party that this will continue or will be offered again. If the motor has a limited availability, then logic dictates those motors remain in the ‘J’ class pool. That is where they are needed most. “Don’t take the motors out of the kid’s hands”. This will insure that we have the greatest number of Mercury’s available for J Kids, which is our greatest asset to get new drivers involved in boat racing of any category.
    • Commitment.- The following is from an e-mail from Racing Outboards LLC to the past SORC and former Steering Committee members regarding the timeline recently posted on HR. dated 09/09/09.
    Racing Outboards LLC purchased Hot Rod from Tom Moulder in the winter of 2003/2004.
    2. Went forward with the attempt to manufacture the rotary valve Hot Rod for the remainder of 2004.
    3. Presented a new 15 cu. in. rotary valve Hot Rod at the Winter Nationals in Ocoee FL. in 2005. The engine had a new beefed up crankcase casting a new crankshaft and the OMC style ignition.
    4. During 2005 we developed a new block for the Hot Rod and pursued a vendor to manufacture the rotary valve crankshaft we also manufactured connecting rods and cylinder heads for the engine.
    5. After many unsuccessful attempts to find a vendor to manufacture the crankshaft we determined that the best course of action would be a new powerhead design that would be easier to manufacture, operate, and service.
    6. Racing Outboards presented the reed valve version of the Hot Rod (the Sidewinder) to the commission at the 2006 National Meeting.
    7. The Sidewinder powerhead was designed and prototype parts were produced for testing.
    8. The first Sidewinder was tested at Loch Haven in September 2006. (3 Years ago not 7)
    9. The remainder of 2006/2007 was spent finalizing the design, having patterns and castings made, and building the tooling necessary to machine the parts.
    10. A preproduction engine was tested during the spring and summer of 2007, and raced at Millville, NJ towards the end of the 2007 racing season.
    11. Production 15 cu. In. engines were on display at the 2008 National Meeting in Detroit MI.
    12. 2008-Racing Outboards sold 2 Sidewinder “B” engines and continued testing to improve performance.
    13. During the winter of 2008/2009 we worked on the development of the “A” engine and introduced the engine at the 2909 Winter Nationals. At this time we have 5 “A” engines in the field and they are competitive with the OMC engines in the class.
    14. During the 2009 season we continued tuning the 15 cu. in. “B” engines and completed the design and testing on the 20 cu. in. engine
    15. The production 20 cu. in. was raced at Loch Haven, New Hampshire and Millville NJ in the 25 runabout class, the engine is competitive with existing engines in the class.

    Currently, motors are available for all three classes. To this point, Racing Outboards is fulfilling their commitment to Stock Outboard. They have kept their word and accomplished everything they set out to do. Now we (APBA Stock Outboard) need to honor our commitment to provide the largest market possible by approving these motors for all three classes now. Stock Outboard will only succeed and grow if we make our motor suppliers successful. We must do everything in our power to make this partnership work. I hate to say never, but I don’t think we will ever have this opportunity again."
    John Runne
    2-Z

    Stock Outboard is all about a level playing field.

    True parity is one motor per class.

    It's RACING, not just another boat ride!

    NOT a representative of Racing Outboards LLC.

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    • #3
      The Yamato 102 & 302 in BSH and BSR

      The issues here are somewhat different than the Merc in the A classes but the goal is the same. Eventually we want to get down to only one motor in these classes as well. The Yamato 80 is currently the backbone of this class and therefore will be around for quite a while.The Sidewinder 20 is being produced to eventually replace the Yamato 80.The Yamato 80 was last produced in Sept. 1979. Many parts are difficult if not impossible to find. The Yamato 102 also has a life expectancy issue. The 102 went out of production in 1985 and some parts are difficult if not impossible to find as well. The 302 is our C motor and we really don’t need two C classes. The future of the B class is the 20 cu.in. Sidewinder and Hot Rod. Before we go too far down the road we are on, let’s fix it now so as to negatively affect the fewest amount of drivers. I’ve often heard the argument that this will hurt RPM who is also a new motor supplier with motors in stock. If you really want to help Ric Montoya, begin a three year phase out of the 102 in the C classes. No doubt he would then sell motors and solve any parity issues in C between the 102 and 302. Currently these changes would affect very few people but the more we procrastinate, the greater number of people will be alienated. And it cannot be overstated; this is most likely the last time an opportunity for new, complete motors made specifically for our needs will ever be offered by anyone. If this doesn’t work, what do we do next? Let that sink in for a moment.

      More bang for the buck!

      How many times have we heard that phrase in reference to running a motor in multiple classes? Currently the OMC can be run in three classes in Stock/J. The Merc can run in three classes in Stock/J. The Yamato 102 and 302’s can run in two classes in Stock. What about 15SS or D. Shouldn’t they get more bang for the buck too? Why are we not concerned about that group of people?”


      This is where I stopped writing last week in preparation for the meeting. There is so much more I could say, it could probably fill a book. I realized there was too much here to present but I didn't know what to edit out so I didn't bother finishing.
      By the way, during and since the meeting I have felt as though my character and the reputation of my family has been impugned in reference to our relationship with Racing Outboards. I'm very disappointed that some people think that there is some "diabolical underhanded agenda" going on. Our family has been in this sport for over sixty years and we all have done everything in our control to support Stock Outboard Racing as best we could. I don't know what any of us has done to lose the respect and trust I thought we'd earned.
      Last edited by csh2z; 02-03-2010, 03:43 PM.
      John Runne
      2-Z

      Stock Outboard is all about a level playing field.

      True parity is one motor per class.

      It's RACING, not just another boat ride!

      NOT a representative of Racing Outboards LLC.

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      • #4
        The way it is!!!!!!!!

        John: The work you have done, your Brothers, your Mother and Father for stock out board racing, is at least, EXEMPLARY, and if I had my way you all would be in the Honor Squadron. Dont give up hope, maybe some day the hierarchy of stock outboard will see the light. Look forward to seeing you at Ocoee. Excelent letters!!!!!!! Regards... Bill



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        • #5
          Originally posted by 371-M
          I really don't see the advantage of us letting in other than stock rings in the merc for example, just more stuff the nubie has to hunt down, why dont they just leave it alone?? because someone got caught with the wrong rings and now its a new rule- stupid. look at the OMC motor WOW that thing is a real mess- how did this happen?
          The replacement OEM ring from Merc is not always available, no sence in keeping a kid on the shore because he can't find a OEM replacement ring. The J Committee is searching for an alternative supplier without running into/creating a major cost issue.
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          • #6
            Once understood, the Merc ring thing isn't any big deal. The Merc 15 piston has two rings. The top ring is a keystone ring, meaning when viewed in cross-section it is tapered. The ring groove it fits in is also tapered to fit it. The second ring is a conventional type ring, meaning the cross-section appears as a rectangle. The ring groove is also made that way to fit. These two rings come from Mercury as a 'set' for one piston for about 49 bucks. You'll need two sets to do your engine. They ARE available from Mercury in standard and oversize. I keep them in stock.

            The tapered ring is not available separately from Mercury. But you can get a ring from Hastings which will fit the second ring groove. No secret. Just call hastings or me and I'll sell you some. No modifications to the piston are allowed and NONE are necessary.

            It's no big deal.

            Alex

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            • #7
              John, did you really do all that typing?

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              • #8
                John...
                Your committee has put a lot of time and thought into your agenda, and is the best answer for S.O. that I have seen for many years. People should be thanking you instead of nitpicking and being only concerned with what is now in their trailor. New motors are the lifes blood of our sport, and we need to support any one willing to build them for the small market we represent.

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                • #9
                  agrees with Norm




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                  • #10
                    Troy,
                    I did write it all. I'm up to 8-10 words per minute!
                    John Runne
                    2-Z

                    Stock Outboard is all about a level playing field.

                    True parity is one motor per class.

                    It's RACING, not just another boat ride!

                    NOT a representative of Racing Outboards LLC.

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                    • #11
                      I have seen him type

                      That must have taken you since Christmas my friend, that shows true dedication and love for Stock Outboard. LOL!

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                      • #12
                        In the Seattle meetings John was very alert and never dosed off. He spoke as if he was still a commisioner and his contect was taken in by all. He was still at the bar when i went to bed. So I think he has mantained status quo. Mikey
                        mike ross

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