What is on the MOD agenda?

[Brian10s]

Huh - Been a Ref and race director and have helped score and do not think it is a problem. It is easy once you decide it is the way it is going to be.

I guess when they said it was so easy a Lawyer could learn it, they were wrong.

[14-H]

10s

... I said (mostly).

As soon as I typed that out, I thought of your mom.

[sam]

Yeah, change it back ... at races I have never had any spectators say the cc designation helped them understand anything ... they still wanted to know the horsepower and the original base engines, not the motor displacement to compare to their snowmobile, bike or gokart

[mike ross]

It's easy for our team. 1 class 8 fitty. Yea thats right we run an 850yyyyy. Mikey

[Bob Dunlap]

Change it back

WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH CC'S. NONE OF OUR SCORERS HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT THE CLASSES ARE. THEY HAVE TO COME ASK THE RACERS AND IT'S A PAIN IN THE BUT! WE HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE GETTING SCORERS AS IT IS WITHOUT CREATING MORE PROBLEMS FOR THEM. CHANGE THEM BACK TO A B C D

[Racers Edge]

I think the CC # designation is a good thing at a modified race. From an audable standpoint B, C, and D all sound too similar when anounced over a PA system. However, 350 hydro and 500 hydro sound completely different (especialy when you have loud engines in the background). I believe it helps the people know what class is comming up next and helps prevent the common question of, "did he say B or C?" It also makes it crystal clear when somone 500 hydro that they are not talking about CSH.

[mercguy]

I think the CC # designation is a good thing at a modified race. From an audable standpoint B, C, and D all sound too similar when anounced over a PA system. However, 350 hydro and 500 hydro sound completely different (especialy when you have loud engines in the background). I believe it helps the people know what class is comming up next and helps prevent the common question of, "did he say B or C?" It also makes it crystal clear when somone 500 hydro that they are not talking about CSH.

but nowadays stock/mod/pro are ran at most races. So............it is much easier to explain to a spectator using the letter designations...........much simpler to tell them that "that is a Cmod, which is the modified version of Cstock" basically, so the spectator has something to base his understandings off of.............he/she could possibly return the question and ask why isn't that stock class called 400cc STOCK? PRO makes a little bit more sense with their number designations, since they have a broader range of engines to use, which are based on CC's........MOD (and stock) have DESIGNATED motors per class.........

the easier we make it on the officials, scorers, ref's the better, as they are already committing their whole day uncompensated for our efforts..........not too many spectators stick around for the whole day........

[drew79c]

Well stated Daren consistency is much simpler

[Brian10s]

There are 100 other ways to may the officials, scorers & ref's days easier than complaining about what a class is called. If your goal is the make live easier for officials, then I am sure we could come up with 50 other rule changes, each would make things easier for a scorer (examples - paint bright colors on the pickles or noses of boats so scorers can see you when you cross the line or maybe a flag attached to each boat so you can see each boats position through the spray at the start). Officials and scorers adapt much quicker than drivers do. For example, there has not been a class called JSH for what 10 years??? But the Junior Hydro class is still refered to incorrectly because we the drivers refuse to change.


much simpler to tell them that "that is a Cmod, which is the modified version of Cstock" basically, so the spectator has something to base his understandings off of............. This is only after you explain what a C is to that person. Yes, they understand that one is stock and one has been modified but they still have zero reference to what the C designation is.

This rule was voted on by the entire Modified Category (isn't that the way we wish more rule changes were handled?) and is done. Instead of spending so much time trying to change it back, why not spend that time learning the new class names and get over it. The Pro's did it and heck the OPC's change names depending on who they are racing with (ex Champ = F1, 120 = F2, etc) and the inboards changed from cc's to liters.

[mercguy]

There are 100 other ways to may the officials, scorers & ref's days easier than complaining about what a class is called. If your goal is the make live easier for officials, then I am sure we could come up with 50 other rule changes, each would make things easier for a scorer (examples - paint bright colors on the pickles or noses of boats so scorers can see you when you cross the line or maybe a flag attached to each boat so you can see each boats position through the spray at the start). Officials and scorers adapt much quicker than drivers do. For example, there has not been a class called JSH for what 10 years??? But the Junior Hydro class is still refered to incorrectly because we the drivers refuse to change.


much simpler to tell them that "that is a Cmod, which is the modified version of Cstock" basically, so the spectator has something to base his understandings off of............. This is only after you explain what a C is to that person. Yes, they understand that one is stock and one has been modified but they still have zero reference to what the C designation is.

This rule was voted on by the entire Modified Category (isn't that the way we wish more rule changes were handled?) and is done. Instead of spending so much time trying to change it back, why not spend that time learning the new class names and get over it. The Pro's did it and heck the OPC's change names depending on who they are racing with (ex Champ = F1, 120 = F2, etc) and the inboards changed from cc's to liters.

Brian, you mentioned inboards going by LITERS..............well, those classes the engines are limited by the size (in liters) of the motors in the classes.................same as in PRO......................in MOD, how do you explain to the spectator that the current class racing is 500CC MOD, when the engines racing are only 397cc (Yamato 102/302)????? Or when the 350CC MOD class is racing and the Yamato 80 is only 328CC? It is just not very consistant.............also, APBA is still calling SST45, SST 45 and SST120, SST120..........which both motors are those cubic inches.........allowing the members to vote on rules is not always the best thing.........as it allows more PERSONAL protection, then overall protection of a group.........

PS: I know for sure the scorrs in Reg10 would MUCH rather prefer we go back to the LETTER designations...................maybe we should just put the vote to the OFFICIALS?????????????????????????

[Brian10s]

allowing the members to vote on rules is not always the best thing.........as it allows more PERSONAL protection, then overall protection of a group.........

Pick your poison - either let the membership vote and then live with it or give your rights to a selected representive and live with it. Can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE=mercguy;149623 PS: I know for sure the scorrs in Reg10 would MUCH rather prefer we go back to the LETTER designations...................maybe we should just put the vote to the OFFICIALS?????????????????????????[/QUOTE]

Sure - since you did not like the results from the membership vote, lets keep changing those that can vote until the outcome is more to your liking. If the OFFICIALS vote to keep the class names the way they are, can we then have pit crew vote and maybe after that it could be an internet vote here on Hydroracer - no, too many people could vote then. Maybe you could call a secret vote and only tell those guys who agree with you where the vote will take place. That makes sence.


I guess if this is really all there is to discuss about Mod, it will be a short meeting in Seattle.

[Dave M]

Agenda

So, after all this hype does anyone have an agenda they email me, PM me, or simply post here ?

P.S. - I still like the letter designation. Takes to long to explain to spectators what an 850CCMH is. It is easier to say SEH is based off a 70HP Evinrude.

Seven syllables to say 850CCMH add a couple more for runabout.

Just less talk to explain class name when you could be explaining more important things, such as Horse power. Which is all any spectator really wants to know. One other thing they always ask, how fast does it go ? Maybe we should add a designation at the end of 850CCMH for the MPH..... 850CCMH90MPH Ya, someone propose that....... it might work.

[swheeler]

I personally liked the letter designations but it seems that it would take a lot of work to switch back. How many times do the class names appear in the tech manuel and rule book? Who would end up updating everything? If the staff at headquarters does it will the cost come out of the already small Mod budget?

If someone does make a proposal please spell out who is going to do what, how it will be paid for, and what happens if a name change passes and no one makes the changes in the rule book and tech manuel.

[PRO-MOTIONRACING]

One more vote for the letters
( )-Mod always has been always will be.

[sam]

One other thing they always ask, how fast does it go ? Maybe we should add a designation at the end of 850CCMH for the MPH..... 850CCMH90MPH Ya, someone propose that....... it might work.

I suggested it here when we were debating it before the voting ... If I recall, cc designation only won by a very few votes, something like 35 to 40.

If it were voted on again, I'm sure cc's would loose

If its for us, it should be ABC, if its for spectators, it should be by speed ... cc's are for inspectors & nurses