Then and Now

[reed28n]

What you are saying.

I don’t know ifanyone was saying with inflation the sidewinders are not priced in the correct neighborhood. If your using that as a basis for pricing.
And if that is the fact the Yamato’s are a steal.

I think what they are saying is Stock Outboarders are not ones to spend a lot of money on engines upfront. They liked the fact that you could buy a Yamato for around 2000.00 and go racing then the next year send it out for a few hundred dollars and be competitive.

What you are saying is keep all the motors in the used price range.

We have an economy class with the 302 (which is an awesome motor). We have on that basis a luxury class with the Tohatsu on the higher end of the scale (which is the fastest class).

We will continue to have inexspensive used equipment available on the market in all classes and if you have the money and you want to buy a new sidewinder race ready you should have a place to race it.

[Blackhawkguy]

Look's like a good deal to me

Cost of new OMC A $1200.00
Cost of new 25XS $1600.00

Use them both for 10-15 years and then sell them for $2500.00, where else can you get that kind of return on your money

I think a sidewinder @ $4500.00 if I am going to be able to use it for 10 years and then sell it for $8,000.00 is a great deal.

Kerry

Or better yet a Y80 that was $300.00, race it for 35 years and sell it for $2,000.00

[jeff55v]

Then and now.

I looked up some prices of fishing motors. New service type motors. The kind that the average guy would buy for his family fishing boat. The kind that get sold nearly every day of the year to working folks across the country. I got these prices from onlineoutboards.com.
Nissan 15hp short shaft manual start- $2225.00 (free shipping)
Nissan 20hp short shaft manual start- $2535.00 (free shipping)
Nissan 50hp long shaft electric start PT&T (only option listed) - $5350.00 (no shipping)
Food for thought.

[Dave M]

Great point

I looked up some prices of fishing motors. New service type motors. The kind that the average guy would buy for his family fishing boat. The kind that get sold nearly every day of the year to working folks across the country. I got these prices from onlineoutboards.com.
Nissan 15hp short shaft manual start- $2225.00 (free shipping)
Nissan 20hp short shaft manual start- $2535.00 (free shipping)
Nissan 50hp long shaft electric start PT&T (only option listed) - $5350.00 (no shipping)
Food for thought.

Jeff,

Great point. I believe all stockers should be priced relative with the fishing engine industry standards. Why would I pay more for a stock engine than its fishing counter part ? A point of view from the outside..... Pricing them higher is a sure way to grow the lake racers numbers.

[Kev43V]

Its seems a bit much to expect someone to enginer and build a racing motor with small numbers of sales. For the same price of a mass produced motor with world wide sales. IMHO

[Dave M]

Expectations

These are usually very different from reality. Just a point I wanted to make, as I have seen it happen around here. Where do you think all our old race boats go ? There are many of my old ones around here on lakes with fishing engines on them, because it is cheap to do, and very entertaining to them. Just a point of view to consider when pricing stock engines. There is the argument that stock is no longer stock, as most of their engines are manufactured for racing only, and not available to the general public in marinas or junk yards.

Consider the alternatives.... is a point that should always be made.

[fcliff]

Stock?

It would be great if we had at least one stock class that was really a stock class. One in which a person could go to the local marina and purchase an engine, put it on his hydro and race it. If he wanted to use it for fishing next year, he just put it on his fishing boat.

[Blackhawkguy]

You Do have a stock motor

The Mercury A/J motor if bought the right way is just what you said, take the racing stuff off and put it on a fishing boat, most people do not want to spend the extra money to do it this way.

Kerry

[B1PRORACER]

A truly stock class.....

fclif-
At one time, we used to have a class that you could go to a marina and buy an engine for...... it was called the 36class. They even raced with club lower-units! What happened to this great idea? Very few people wanted to race in that class and it died! These engines were mounted on a D stock boat and went a little faster than an A class boat.
Most racers have an idea that they want something that is a race motor. We are ulitimately the consumer for these racing engines. No-one pays us to race, so we buy what appeals to us.
Want to know were some of the "stockest" engines are? In the PRO division! People buy the latest factory engine and race it just as it came out of the box!

[raceright]

fclif-
At one time, we used to have a class that you could go to a marina and buy an engine for...... it was called the 36class. They even raced with club lower-units! What happened to this great idea? Very few people wanted to race in that class and it died! These engines were mounted on a D stock boat and went a little faster than an A class boat.
Most racers have an idea that they want something that is a race motor. We are ulitimately the consumer for these racing engines. No-one pays us to race, so we buy what appeals to us.
Want to know were some of the "stockest" engines are? In the PRO division! People buy the latest factory engine and race it just as it came out of the box!

YEP
and a new 500 konny powerhead is about the same price as a sidewinder
just add new Kamato unit and go racing in 500runabout with the big boys if ya brave enough

[raceright]

It would be great if we had at least one stock class that was really a stock class. One in which a person could go to the local marina and purchase an engine, put it on his hydro and race it. If he wanted to use it for fishing next year, he just put it on his fishing boat.

This idea will always be around been brought up on hydroracer for several years maybe stock outboard commission does not view hydroracer lolololo

[Kev43V]

The Mercury A/J motor if bought the right way is just what you said, take the racing stuff off and put it on a fishing boat, most people do not want to spend the extra money to do it this way.

Kerry

It will also put you in violation of at least one law passed by the enviro-nazies

[sam]

the 36class. They even raced with club lower-units! What happened to this great idea? Very few people wanted to race in that class and it died!

I heard that the demise of the 36 class had a little more politics to it, some sort of back door compromise to get Merc to make the 35ss/402X and continue to supply Quickie parts ... but I don't think it was ever a strong national class, popular in some regions but not all.

[jeff55v]

A stock service racing engine.

It would be great if we had at least one stock class that was really a stock class. One in which a person could go to the local marina and purchase an engine, put it on his hydro and race it. If he wanted to use it for fishing next year, he just put it on his fishing boat.

Probably the best example of a stock service engine being used for racing would be the U.S.A.'s Super Light Tunnel (SLT) Bandit class racing. AKA, Australia's Thundercats, or the U.K.'s Zapcats...etc, etc.
The engines used in this class are about as off the shelf as you can get.