Sidewinder Forum 8/20/09

[Affholter66]

Thanks to all who participated!! Thanks Dan!! Now, I'm going to figure out the best way to get a petition going!!

For Starters: Anyone who would like to see the Sidewinder ADDED as a 25SSR/20SSH motor...in ADDITION to the motors already approved please post a response here. If you are for DROPPING the Yamatos do the same.

We have approximately 40 25SSR participants and 70 20SSH participants...NOW is past time to speak-up...

For the record I am in Favor of adding the Sidewinder and NOT replacing the Yamato

[Silas_53A]

I believe the Sidewinder SHOULD be added.. without question.

I would agree with removing the y80 from 20ssh (through attrition), because of age and I do not think the sidewinder should be forced to slow down to keep the y80 competitive. But the y102/302 only needs a different restictor plate too keep it with the sidewinder.

But even if the Y80 is slower, I think we should let attrition phase it out, and not force drivers to stop using it. I mean hell, the 35ss is still legal in DSH though I can safely there is not a single one in competition, the 55h is still legal as well, but you dont see them winning the nationals, but there are people who still run them and can manage with them.

In regards to 25ssr, I don't run that class and don't feel I can add to that discussion.

[M721son]

Yes

Total aggrement add the Sidewinder not replace the Yamato

[Mrs blueskyracer]

Total agreement add the Sidewinder not replace the Yamato

[thepiranhabros]

ADD not REPLACE!

Said it before; will say it again (slightly modified for better clarity).

Parity is the answer. Sidewinder needs to play by the existing speeds set in existing classes and not be able to be made to go any faster. When (and if) Yamatos finally die off, Sidewinder will be there to fill in the gap. Over those years, another engine will have come along to challenge Sidewinder, and the process will start all over again. Seems pretty simple to me.

Michael Mackey
21-V

[blueskyracer]

I am for adding sidewinder and adjusting restrictor plate for the yamato if necessary

[B Walker]

Yamato was added to 25SSR to keep 25SSR alive. Allowing Sidewinder in just prolongs the pain.

How about putting the 25XS in BSR with restrictions to ensure Sidewinder is the dominant motor and letting 25SSR dissapear?

We have too many classes.

BW

[14-H]

I am for adding sidewinder and adjusting restrictor plate for the yamato if necessary

This is the way to do it and the J and AXS classes are proof that it will work.

[14-H]

Yamato was added to 25SSR to keep 25SSR alive. Allowing Sidewinder in just prolongs the pain.

How about putting the 25XS in BSR with restrictions to ensure Sidewinder is the dominant motor and letting 25SSR dissapear?

We have too many classes.

BW

Bill: I am in partial agreement with you except that the 20SS and the 25SSR classes are "true" B classes in that they are good classes for the 200 lb drivers. Our current B classes are really the old 15SS classes which were A "knock off" classes which are more fit for a 150-165 lb driver. I am sure you remember this.

How about this? 1) Make the current AXS class the A Stock class (ie: Merc 15 unrestricted, OMC A restricted and Sidewinder A. This format would be much closer to an optimal A speed range. The current OMC A speeds are too fast for boats that size, particularly the hydroplanes. 2) Combine the A and 15/B Classes (they are only a few miles an hour apart now anyway). In other words, slow down the Hot Rods (it appears this is going to be necessary anyway based upon the Sidewinder speeds) and include the unrestricted OMC A in this class. 3) Make the 20SS and 25SSR classes the B Stock Classes with the Sidewinder 20 CID engine (keeping all of the Yamatos and Mercs, of course).

[Hal 212M]

Let me first say that I am new to the sport. Having said that, I would like the Y-80 to remain legal for 20SSH and 25SSR, but I do not think that the Sidewinder should be slowed down to let the Y-80 compete. The Y-80 would let me gain some needed experience at a price that fits my budget. I understand that means I may not be able to compete, but I'm okay with that (for now).

[Boatracer4fun]

I run 20SSH and run a Y80. I do understand that racing equals money. If they make the sidewinder legal and I dont buy it, then I will just have to beat it or be beat. Plain and simple.

I bet that if indeed the sidewinder is faster then the Y80 after its dialed in, people will splurge and get one.

so im here to say that I want to keep the Y80.

[B Walker]

How about this? 1) Make the current AXS class the A Stock class (ie: Merc 15 unrestricted, OMC A restricted and Sidewinder A. This format would be much closer to an optimal A speed range. The current OMC A speeds are too fast for boats that size, particularly the hydroplanes. 2) Combine the A and 15/B Classes (they are only a few miles an hour apart now anyway). In other words, slow down the Hot Rods (it appears this is going to be necessary anyway based upon the Sidewinder speeds) and include the unrestricted OMC A in this class. 3) Make the 20SS and 25SSR classes the B Stock Classes with the Sidewinder 20 CID engine (keeping all of the Yamatos and Mercs, of course).

Ed, we are saying the same thing, your just saying it better.

This is Brad, not Bill, by the way, Dad does'nt "do computers", they do him.

BW

[STEVE FRENCH]

Bill: I am in partial agreement with you except that the 20SS and the 25SSR classes are "true" B classes in that they are good classes for the 200 lb drivers. Our current B classes are really the old 15SS classes which were A "knock off" classes which are more fit for a 150-165 lb driver. I am sure you remember this.

How about this?
2) Combine the A and 15/B Classes (they are only a few miles an hour apart now anyway). In other words, slow down the Hot Rods (it appears this is going to be necessary anyway based upon the Sidewinder speeds) .

Appoligies Ed but being in the market for a 15 Hot-Rod (allready got pipes ready to bolt on), I have to ask what the rest of the current "B" H/R owners feel on this...........Not much effect to me cause my interest is for AMH.....but seems there is some return in BSH/BSR numbers......Or would they break away and propose/vote back the 15ss class......Just seems there has been a ton of work on these to agree to restriction?.....What were the lap times in ASH compared to BSH at Grass lake?

But on the plus side, I bet A-MOD and Formula-A get's back on more sanctions and maybe THAT should be the natural progression

100N

[Affholter66]

Definitely NOT a requirement, but if you vote...leave a quick comment...For or Against,,I'm way new to APBA after a long (9yr) absence for SO racing. I do respect all opinions and want to know the rational for getting rid of the Yamato's. An educated opinion is the best opinion.Thanks again for the participation!!! way cool

[reed28n]

The AXS Class

Bill: I am in partial agreement with you except that the 20SS and the 25SSR classes are "true" B classes in that they are good classes for the 200 lb drivers. Our current B classes are really the old 15SS classes which were A "knock off" classes which are more fit for a 150-165 lb driver. I am sure you remember this.

How about this? 1) Make the current AXS class the A Stock class (ie: Merc 15 unrestricted, OMC A restricted and Sidewinder A. This format would be much closer to an optimal A speed range. The current OMC A speeds are too fast for boats that size, particularly the hydroplanes. 2) Combine the A and 15/B Classes (they are only a few miles an hour apart now anyway). In other words, slow down the Hot Rods (it appears this is going to be necessary anyway based upon the Sidewinder speeds) and include the unrestricted OMC A in this class. 3) Make the 20SS and 25SSR classes the B Stock Classes with the Sidewinder 20 CID engine (keeping all of the Yamatos and Mercs, of course).

To start this transition the AXS Class would have had to be moved to a Stock Class. Leaving the J a universal J Class in the j category. The suggestion of this was flattly turn down by the co chairman in Raleigh. The AXS class will remain in the J category. That was the story.

I am all for fewer classes, but you have dropped far more racers with this plan than with the current plan and you have taken away a successful component of the AXS class......a step class for young drivers not ready to race with verteran A drivers.